[meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL

From: Ken O'Neill <kenoneill_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:22:44 2004
Message-ID: <000001c33e6f$258aef20$b042869f_at_btek.org>

Hi List,

Tom wrote "Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do
not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some
where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an
ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on
Steve's original thread."

I'll echo this and would like to also add my intentions in posting were to
add to the debate on the topic of refunding. My apologies if any offence was
caused.

Regards

Ken O'Neill


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Tom aka
James Knudson
Sent: 29 June 2003 18:31
To: Charlie Devine; Michael L Blood
Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail); M come Meteorite Meteorites
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL


Hello Charlie and list, Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do
not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some
where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an
ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on
Steve's original thread. So Charlie, I want you to know that I has not
talking about you in this thread at all. I am sorry if I offended you, I
thought if I was offending anyone it was the guy asking Steve for a refund!
: )
Thanks, Tom
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Devine <moonrock25_at_webtv.net>
To: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net>
Cc: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>; Ken O'Neill
<kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com>; Meteorite-List (E-mail)
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; M come Meteorite Meteorites
<mcomemeteorite2000_at_yahoo.it>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL


> Hello everyone,
>
> On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom Matteo is suggesting be
> blackballed on ebay because I left him negative feedback.
> I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our differences on this list.
> When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was very lucky I was
> keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has decided to slam me in
> public, so, to set the record straight, here is why Matteo is so upset
> with me.
>
> It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was a very special fall
> in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always been more on the
> history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest had it all in my
> eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a fall that would rank
> as very historic. I resolved that I would try to acquire as many
> samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" as I could.
> It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in reaching my specific
> goals.
>
> Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few hours after Matteo
> listed it:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504
>
> This listing gave the unmistakable impression that the seller was
> offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of the PF Firestation!
> With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I thought, "wow, what a
> way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I also thought "I
> thought the PF town council had decided to sell this stone to a museum?"
> I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( or in this case
> "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this really were a piece
> of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end with a buy-now before
> Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the auction and
> immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would send payment if he
> could provide the evidence that this was indeed from the PF Firestation
> hammer. His reply did not really address my question. He told me that
> he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from the Hupes. He told
> me he had a slice from this stone on his collection page. He did, and
> it was captioned "Firestation stone".
>
> I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not around. I decided to
> sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember that Michael did
> offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the street from the
> firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a piece of this stone
> that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told him he must be in
> error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his ebay fees since I had
> bid first and asked questions later. A small loss for me, no loss for
> Matteo.
>
> Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could believe one of 2
> things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a liar, or I could
> believe the slice came from the stone that penetrated the roof of the
> firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting it that way, I "fell
> for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of being told what I
> really wanted to hear and believing it I guess.
>
> Several days went bye when I noticed a post from Michael to the list.
> Seeing that he was around I contacted him and discovered my memory had
> been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on his pre-post list
> and Michael never told Matteo that the pieces Matteo bought from him
> came from the Firestation impactor. Michael also fwd me a copy of his
> old PF pre-post. I fwd this pre-post to Matteo and presented it as
> evidence that the specimen I purchased, and which was now enroute to me,
> was not what Matteo claimed it was. Matteo's reply was that perhaps the
> description "fell across the steet" from the firestation had been lost
> in his emails with Michael. Matteo did not offer, as I expected he
> would, and as I would have immediately done myself, a refund or other
> form of adjustment that would make up for his misrepresentation of this
> auction listing.
>
> When the item arrived, I left negative feedback.
> That feedback simply stated the truth of the matter. I did not demand a
> refund that I felt the seller should have offered me of his own free
> will. I wrote it off as a gamble on my part, a gamble I had lost.
>
> After I had posted the feedback, Matteo contacted me and reminded me
> that he had told me if I did not believe the piece was from the stone
> that hit the firestation, I did not have to send payment. He has
> repeated this claim on this list. Matteo, as I told you yesterday, I do
> not like being lied to. I told you that I have saved all your emails.
> And I state catagorically:
> at no time did you tell me not to send payment.
> Rather, you told me that if it were not from the stone that hit the
> station, then Blood was a liar.
> Since I don't believe that Michael is a liar, and it didn't dawn on me
> that you might be misleading me, you got paid and I own a pretty
> expensive slice of "ordinary" PF.
>
> In closing, I want to state, that I left Matteo negative feedback
> because I felt I was lied to.
> While the feedback was strongly worded, I'm not all bent out of shape
> about what happened.
> I accept responsibility for my "bid now, ask questions later" approach.
> If Matteo had simply agreed to my offer to pay his ebay fees for the
> item I purchased, there would be no negative feedback and I would'nt be
> offering a long-winded expaination of a matter that Matteo should have
> kept between the 2 of us. Again, I am sorry that this business is being
> aired in public. I do hope this is the last word that anyone expects
> from me on this matter.
>
> Best wishes,
> Charlie
>
>



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