[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #1687 - 21 msgs

From: John Gwilliam <jkg_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:40 2004
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030514192928.00a06340_at_mail.theriver.com>

Tom and List,
Current laws on the books do not apply to circumstances in the past. When
Barringer applied for the mining claim, the laws that were applicable at
the time were used and were valid. If someone were to apply for a similar
mining claim today, it could be challenged under the current law. If the
meteorite community wants to fight to have Meteor Crater transferred to
public lands status, a different approach will be required.

Best,

John


At 07:18 PM 5/14/03 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote:
>Hello List, The state of Arizona (at least now a days) Does not consider
>meteorites a mineral that you can mine and you can not stake a claim on
>meteorite material. So, To me, If that's the case, Barringer has no right
>now or then to have that land as a mining claim.
>Thanks, Tom
>The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bob Martino <martino.6_at_osu.edu>
>To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:05 PM
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #1687 - 21 msgs
>
>
> > Steve and all,
> >
> > While I know how you feel about Meteor Crater and MCE, I believe that the
> > Barringer Family's claim on the land is very solid. I don't think that a
>big
> > metallic mass is necessary.
> >
> > My understanding of the Mining Act is that you have to TRY and extract
> > commercially valuable minerals for a specific period of time. After the
>time
> > is up, the land is yours. It isn't necessary to ACTUALLY remove minerals,
>or
> > turn a profit, or even show that the minerals you were looking for are
> > actually there. It is the act of TRYING that makes the land yours. And
> > nobody can fault Daniel Barringer for trying.
> >
> > Given this, I find it hard to fathom why they would say the "main mass" is
> > still there.
> >
> > Still, I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV either. I could be
> > mistaken. Come to think of it, my understanding of this law comes from
> > reading a book about the crater.
> >
> > The book was published by Meteor Crater Enterprises. :)
> >
> > -----
> > Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ
> >
> > Can you really name a star? Read the Truth!
> > http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/
> > ..
> >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:23:11 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Steve Schoner <steve_schoner_at_yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 11-1950 Nininger, Meteor
>Crater
> > Hunt Futile
> > > To: MARK BOSTICK <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>,
> > > Meteorite List <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > >
> > > Mark, and all,
> > >
> > > This is a crucial article countering the mining claims
> > > of Meteor Crater Enterprises, a fact that their guides
> > > miss.
> > >
> > > In 1950, after years of research finding metallic
> > > sphereoids, Nininger proved the equations of Dr.
> > > Moulton who predicted that a large impactor would not
> > > survive the heat generated on impact. Dr. Shoemaker,
> > > later in the early 1960's with his dissertation on
> > > Meteor Crater geology laid out the mechanics of larger
> > > impactors, and further proved that such impactors in
> > > the case of large meteoroids explode in a cloud of
> > > vapor on impact.
> > >
> > > All of this in contrast to what Meteor Crater guides
> > > still say:
> > >
> > > "The meteor is under the southern rim, for when a
> > > drill was sent under it, it stopped when hitting a
> > > large (metallic) mass."
> > >
> > > Got to justify the mining claim, I guess...
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> >
> >
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