[meteorite-list] weight descrepency
From: Pekka Savolainen <pekka.savolainen_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:45 2004 Message-ID: <3ED12ADF.8060804_at_dlc.fi> --------------060301080803090100060503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks, Tom, so Iīm making this offer to Steve, thank you for the correction. I can figure out the feelings of the customer, who feels, he or she has been fooled, and in these cases there is no need to discussion, if the seller doesnīt admit / correct his fault. In this case Carlos has admit the fault, now we have to get the underrestand the difference between a meteorite and packing-material...;- Anyway, I have also been in minerals some 20 years, and can also figure the good meaning of the system Carlos uses. The point is, the system is wrong in meteorites, and thatīs why it has to be fixed, think we can all aggree that. And as I told in my former mails, I belive, Carlos has just bought some meteorites from Morocco, and hasnīt though the difference with the other material he is selling. I also belive, the best way to handle this kind of situations is to negotiate with the seller (and now we have also the lanquaqe-problem) before using the heavy artillery. I really hope, we can handle this in a way, we can all be satisfied. take care, pekka Tom aka James Knudson wrote: > Hello Pekka, Thanks for your offer, but You should send it to Steve > Drummond, not me. I have no problem with you, You are trying to help. > Nancy calling mike and I anal for our views upset me. The PF example > is where it could go if this practice does not stop. > > Thanks, Tom > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pekka Savolainen <mailto:pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi> > > To: Tom aka James Knudson <mailto:knudson911_at_frontiernet.net> > > Cc: meteorite list <mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency > > > > Hello, Tom and the list, > > no one have said this is right and Iīm trying to work to get this > case corrected. Anyway, if youīll send to me your adress, Iīll > send to you a 69 grams NWA...weight without packing material. > > This is a one-time offer, no other customers, please...;- > > take care, > > pekka > > Tom aka James Knudson wrote: > >> Hello Pekka and Nancy, If you are on ebay and see a 10g PF and >> are willing to pay top price of about $40 a gram, that is $400!!! >> If you get the PF and it weighs 1 gram you just paid $360 for a >> box!!! That is not right!!!!! Nancy, if you are so ANAL to think >> that's ok, I will sell you all the box's you want!! >> >> Thanks, Tom >> The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Pekka Savolainen <mailto:pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi> >> >> To: Steven Drummond <mailto:jesserd44_at_earthlink.net> >> >> Cc: meteorite list <mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:56 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency >> >> >> >> Hello, Steve and the list, >> >> I have sent an e-mail to Carlos, but havenīt recived the >> reply yet. I tried to make clear, >> the meteorites is a different thing than minerals, and he has >> to give exact weight of them >> in the description, WITHOUT the packing material. >> >> Got an e-mail from Nancy Starnd from Alaska, and perhaps this >> also tells, in minerals is >> important to know the total weight of the parcell to figure >> the shipping. It makes no sence >> to bid for piece some USD 2.00 and then pay USD 20.00 for >> the shipping. But this >> is in minerals, not in meteorites. >> >> Iīll inform you immediatly, when recive the reply from >> Carlos. I suppose, Iīm going to Spain >> and Morocco this summer, so if this doesnīt work, I can show >> him, how to weight a meteo- >> rite and how to descripe the weight correctly in listnings. >> All this if Iīm still alive after Siberia, >> Iīm going to Irkustk in the end of June, and you can bet, >> itīs much easier to make deals in >> Sevilla than in Irkutsk...;- >> >> Nancys mail as follows; >> >> >Pekka >> >> >I just sent Tom and Mike each a msg telling tehm we "rock" >> buyers appreciate knowing the weight with packaging so we can >> figure postage into our bidding. I also told >them not to be >> so anal. Which if I could translate that into Norwegian, >> which is about the only other language than English that I >> know a little bit of, I would! Some of the >folks on this >> list are downright obsessive compulsive! >> >> >But it is good to know there are others, like yourself, who >> can see the reasoning for Carlos descriptions. And it is not >> fraud nor samming when he says it in the descriptions. >I >> think they need to learn to deal with it! >> >> >Thanks. I don't know how to post to the list or I may have >> done so ! >> >> >Nancy Strand >> >Petersburg, Alaska >> >> take care, >> >> pekka >> >> Steven Drummond wrote: >> >>> Hi Pekka And List , Your statement............ This >>> far as I know, the buyers, which have contacted Carlos, are >>> all promised to get the >>> missing part of their stuff, letīs hope, these are weighted >>> without the packing-material...;- >>> And now Carlos reply when I asked for the missing weight. >>> I have sent 1 further email asking for the total missing >>> weight NOT INCLUDING PACKING MATERIAL AND BOX... He owes my >>> 85 grams still.............. >>> >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> We thank your collaboration. >>> >>> We can send you another meteorite that weighed, with the >>> included packing, about 62 grams. >>> I believe that this it is the best solution, since us in our >>> it paginates of ebay we explain that of the weight of the >>> specimens clearly. >>> >>> >>> >>> So as you can see he hasn't promised the missing weight >>> to me, as a matter of fact he states that he will send a 62 >>> grams Including packing material and box. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have no reply to my last email requesting the total >>> missing weight. >>> >>> Regards, Steven Drummond TUC :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >> >> >> >> >>Pekka Savolainen >>Jokiharjuntie 4 >>FIN-71330 Rasala >>FINLAND >> >>+ 358 400 818 912 >> >>Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin >>Group Email Address: eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com >> >> > >-- > > > > >Pekka Savolainen >Jokiharjuntie 4 >FIN-71330 Rasala >FINLAND > >+ 358 400 818 912 > >Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin >Group Email Address: eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com > > -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com --------------060301080803090100060503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> </head> <body> <br> Thanks, Tom,<br> <br> so I´m making this offer to Steve, thank you for the correction. I can figure out the<br> feelings of the customer, who feels, he or she has been fooled, and in these cases <br> there is no need to discussion, if the seller doesn´t admit / correct his fault. In this<br> case Carlos has admit the fault, now we have to get the underrestand the difference<br> between a meteorite and packing-material...;-<br> <br> Anyway, I have also been in minerals some 20 years, and can also figure the good<br> meaning of the system Carlos uses. The point is, the system is wrong in meteorites,<br> and that´s why it has to be fixed, think we can all aggree that.<br> <br> And as I told in my former mails, I belive, Carlos has just bought some meteorites <br> from Morocco, and hasn´t though the difference with the other material he is selling.<br> I also belive, the best way to handle this kind of situations is to negotiate with the <br> seller (and now we have also the lanquaqe-problem) before using the heavy artillery.<br> <br> I really hope, we can handle this in a way, we can all be satisfied.<br> <br> take care,<br> <br> pekka<br> <br> Tom aka James Knudson wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:00bd01c322fc$13c6bb40$90c943d8_at_malcolm"> <meta content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name="GENERATOR"> <div><font size="2">Hello Pekka, Thanks for your offer, but You should send it to Steve Drummond, not me. I have no problem with you, You are trying to help. Nancy calling mike and I anal for our views upset me. The PF example is where it could go if this practice does not stop. </font></div> <div><font size="2">Thanks, Tom<br> The proudest member of the IMCA 6168</font></div> <blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(0,0,0); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; "> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "> ----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background-color: rgb(228,228,228); background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; -x-background-x-position: 0%; -x-background-y-position: 0%; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> From:</b><a href="mailto:pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi" title="pekka.savolainen@dlc.fi"> Pekka Savolainen</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> To:</b><a href="mailto:knudson911_at_frontiernet.net" title="knudson911@frontiernet.net"> Tom aka James Knudson</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> Cc:</b><a href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com" title="meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"> meteorite list</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> Sent:</b> Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:16 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> Subject:</b> Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency</div> <div><br> </div> <br> Hello, Tom and the list,<br> <br> no one have said this is right and I´m trying to work to get this<br> case corrected. Anyway, if you´ll send to me your adress, I´ll<br> send to you a 69 grams NWA...weight without packing material.<br> <br> This is a one-time offer, no other customers, please...;-<br> <br> take care,<br> <br> pekka<br> <br> Tom aka James Knudson wrote:<br> <blockquote cite="mid:00a301c322f9$58da2bc0$90c943d8_at_malcolm" type="cite"> <meta content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name="GENERATOR"> <div><font size="2">Hello Pekka and Nancy, If you are on ebay and see a 10g PF and are willing to pay top price of about $40 a gram, that is $400!!! If you get the PF and it weighs 1 gram you just paid $360 for a box!!! That is not right!!!!! Nancy, if you are so ANAL to think that's ok, I will sell you all the box's you want!! </font></div> <div><font size="2">Thanks, Tom<br> The proudest member of the IMCA 6168</font></div> <blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(0,0,0); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; "> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "> ----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background-attachment: scroll; background-color: rgb(228,228,228); background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> From:</b><a href="mailto:pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi" title="pekka.savolainen@dlc.fi"> Pekka Savolainen</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> To:</b><a href="mailto:jesserd44_at_earthlink.net" title="jesserd44@earthlink.net"> Steven Drummond</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> Cc:</b><a href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com" title="meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"> meteorite list</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> Sent:</b> Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:56 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "><b> Subject:</b> Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency</div> <div><br> </div> <br> Hello, Steve and the list,<br> <br> I have sent an e-mail to Carlos, but haven´t recived the reply yet. I tried to make clear,<br> the meteorites is a different thing than minerals, and he has to give exact weight of them<br> in the description, WITHOUT the packing material.<br> <br> Got an e-mail from Nancy Starnd from Alaska, and perhaps this also tells, in minerals is <br> important to know the total weight of the parcell to figure the shipping. It makes no sence<br> to bid for piece some USD 2.00 and then pay USD 20.00 for the shipping. But this<br> is in minerals, not in meteorites.<br> <br> I´ll inform you immediatly, when recive the reply from Carlos. I suppose, I´m going to Spain<br> and Morocco this summer, so if this doesn´t work, I can show him, how to weight a meteo-<br> rite and how to descripe the weight correctly in listnings. All this if I´m still alive after Siberia,<br> I´m going to Irkustk in the end of June, and you can bet, it´s much easier to make deals in<br> Sevilla than in Irkutsk...;-<br> <br> Nancys mail as follows;<br> <br> >Pekka <br> <br> >I just sent Tom and Mike each a msg telling tehm we "rock" buyers appreciate knowing the weight with packaging so we can figure postage into our bidding. I also told >them not to be so anal. Which if I could translate that into Norwegian, which is about the only other language than English that I know a little bit of, I would! Some of the >folks on this list are downright obsessive compulsive! <br> <br> >But it is good to know there are others, like yourself, who can see the reasoning for Carlos descriptions. And it is not fraud nor samming when he says it in the descriptions. >I think they need to learn to deal with it! <br> <br> >Thanks. I don't know how to post to the list or I may have done so ! <br> <br> >Nancy Strand <br> >Petersburg, Alaska <br> <br> take care,<br> <br> pekka<br> <br> Steven Drummond wrote:<br> <blockquote cite="mid:002801c322ee$dcaea620$6401a8c0_at_charterpipeline.net" type="cite"> <meta content="MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name="GENERATOR"> <style></style> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Pekka And List , Your statement............<font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> This far as I know, the buyers, which have contacted Carlos, are all promised to get the<br> missing part of their stuff, let´s hope, these are weighted without the packing-material...;-</font><br> And now Carlos reply when I asked for the missing weight. I have sent 1 further email asking for the total missing weight NOT INCLUDING PACKING MATERIAL AND BOX... He owes my 85 grams still..............</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello <br> <br> We thank your collaboration. <br> <br> We can send you another meteorite that weighed, with the included packing, about 62 grams. <br> I believe that this it is the best solution, since us in our it paginates of ebay we explain that of the weight of the specimens clearly.</font></div> <div> </div> <div> So as you can see he hasn't promised the missing weight to me, as a matter of fact he states that he will send a 62 grams <strong>Including</strong> packing material and box. </div> <div> </div> <div> I have no reply to my last email requesting the total missing weight. </div> <div> Regards, Steven Drummond TUC :-) </div> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(0,0,0); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; "> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none; "> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="$mailwrapcol">-- <br><br><br><br><br>Pekka Savolainen<br>Jokiharjuntie 4<br>FIN-71330 Rasala<br>FINLAND<br><br>+ 358 400 818 912<br><br>Group Home Page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin">http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin</a><br>Group Email Address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com">eurocoin@smartgroups.com</a><br></pre> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="$mailwrapcol">-- <br><br><br><br><br>Pekka Savolainen<br>Jokiharjuntie 4<br>FIN-71330 Rasala<br>FINLAND<br><br>+ 358 400 818 912<br><br>Group Home Page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin">http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin</a><br>Group Email Address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com">eurocoin@smartgroups.com</a><br></pre> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="$mailwrapcol">-- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin">http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin</a> Group Email Address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eurocoin_at_smartgroups.com">eurocoin@smartgroups.com</a> </pre> <br> </body> </html> --------------060301080803090100060503--Received on Sun 25 May 2003 04:43:11 PM PDT |
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