[meteorite-list] Main mass of Oum Dreyga (Amgala) recovered !

From: Christian Anger <christian.anger_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:14 2004
Message-ID: <20040416132448.D05525365A_at_pairlist.net>

I am wondering if Oum Dreyga (Amgala) will be accepted by the Nomcom as =
a
witnessed fall.
As long as it is not confirmed to be a fall, it is still nothing other =
thing
than a find.

My personal opinion is, that it will be not accepted for 100%.

Just see the latest MetBull 88 what happened to Bensour.
It is listed as "found, possible fall"
Long faces in the collectors community - it was stated as a fall since =
it
appeared on the market.
And now ??? What is it - a hybrid ? Paid for a fall, got a "found, =
possible
fall".
And this took 2 years to find out. I think it is a solomonic decision of =
the
Nomcom.

And this is not the only one :=20
It was the same with NWA 820 (Hassi Labyade). The Nomcom did not accept =
it
as a fall.

Let's wait and see how much kgs really appear and if it will be a fall =
or
not.

Cheers,

Christian



IMCA #2673
www.austromet.com
=A0
Christian Anger
Korngasse 6
2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg
AUSTRIA
=A0
email: christian.anger_at_aon.at
________________________________________
Von: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff
Kuyken
Gesendet: Freitag, 16. April 2004 14:57
An: Meteorite List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Main mass of Oum Dreyga (Amgala) recovered =
!

Some interesting points raised about this new fall here. However:
=A0
1) I know of at least one other 1kg+ 'Amgala'=A0being offered in Morocco =
at
the moment. Whatever it is, it's actually a=A0very nice (& even more
expensive) specimen.
=A0
2) I don't think there will a huge drop in Amgala prices because there
doesn't seem to be enough weight. Certainly not as much as Bensour and =
Park
Forest.
=A0
3) Side by side, Zag and Amgala are quite different. I could be wrong =
here
but even the crust on Amgala seems a little more..... 'velvet-like' than
Zag.
=A0
Anyway, it's a very nice meteorite whatever it is! ;-)
=A0
Cheers,
=A0
Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteorites.com.au
=A0
----- Original Message -----=20
From: j.divelbiss_at_att.net=20
To: thomasmeteorites_at_wanadoo.fr=20
Cc: philippe thomas ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com ; Adam Hupe=20
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Main mass of Oum Dreyga (Amgala) recovered =
!

Hello All,

Last month I reported on my first take of the Amgala individual I got =
from
the Hupe's that when cut sure looked like Zag to me. It being a small
individual of about 20 g, it is not easy to see a lot of detail in a end =
cut
of 2g...so I'm still not sure what I have.

The piece of Amgala I cut has a very nice blackened crust, and inside it =
had
both the blue-ish black lithology and the lighter brown H6-like material
I've seen on Zag. I do have some very nice crusted individuals of Zag =
whose
crust looked just as nice as the piece I received. Since then I've =
bought
and seen slices of Amgala that do look different than the first piece I
cut...the interior of the Amgala slice I got looked more "yellowish" =
inside
as if they are slightly oxidized. No significant breccia in my slice.
whereas the piece I cut myself did have some.

Did I buy a Zag that was freshly picked years ago and sold to the Hupe's =
as
Amgala...maybe??? I'll be home later tonight(12 plus hours from now) if
anyone wants to see a picture of my Amagala(Zag?) individual.=20

What I would like to see sent to the list today is someone's picture of =
a
fresh interior of Amgala that is not yellowed...if there is such a =
thing.=A0=20

Curious now,

John
=A0


> Dear Adam and List Members,
>=20
> I can quite believe that the main mass of this meteorite is weighing =
over
2.5 kg=20
> (If it=92s the=20
> case, I ask to everybody to excuse me for the title of my first =
message)
but I=20
> have never=20
> heard about this piece and nobody has shown a picture of it.
>=20
> I know, of course, that this meteorite (Oum Dreyga/Amgala) is already
being=20
> studied at NAU,=20
> but as it often arrives, this meteorite will be analysed by several=20
> laboratories. I think that=20
> this is a good thing and that the comparison of different studies is
always rich=20
> in learnings.
>=20
> It=92s sure that it is an H chondrite, the exact type will be =
determinated
by the=20
> analyses.
>=20
> I can=92t believe that a professionnal can confuse a L chondrite with =
a H=20
> chondrite and a=20
> weathering grade 2 with a weathering grade 0.
>=20
> There is a lot of swindles in this stuff, and perhaps the =
ill-intentioned
people=20
> would like to=20
> sell Zag pieces for pieces of the new fall. But again, it=92s seems to =
me
really=20
> improbable to=20
> confuse them. Zag meteorite looks really special and is recognizable =
at
the=20
> first glance. Even=20
> the pieces recovered three or four years ago don=92t have the sight of =
a
meteorite=20
> which is on=20
> Earth since few months.
>=20
> The one who has had the fortune to handle some meteorites which fell =
on
Earth=20
> few times=20
> ago, known the =AB mint =BB appearance of them. This appearance =
can=92t be
confused=20
> with the=20
> ones which had been exposed to weathering for some times. I have had =
the=20
> occasion to=20
> handle a nice piece of Ben Sour recovered 15 months after the fall. =
This
piece=20
> was already=20
> affected by the desert varnish.
>=20
> Best Regards,
> Philippe
>=20
> > Dear Phillip and List,
> >
> > The main mass is larger than 2.5 kilograms and Amgala is currently =
being
> > studied at NAU which should release results soon.=A0 Three different =
type
> > specimens have been submitted and it looks like it will classify as =
an=20
> > H3.8
> > rare Polymict Breccia with exotic clasts.=A0 Be careful about find=20
> > location as
> > we reported the strewn field was between Amgala and Oum Dreyga the =
very
> > first post we made on the subject.=A0 An unrelated L5, W2 black=20
> > chondrite find
> > was being mixed in at first skewing the strewn field results.=A0 =
Also=20
> > some Zag
> > is reappearing and being sold as Amgala confusing the issue even =
more if
> > that is possible.=A0 After looking at several pieces of Amgala and =
Zag=20
> > it is
> > easy to tell them apart.=A0 Zag has some extremely dark lithologies, =
the=20
> > crust
> > is different and is a regolith breccia.
> >
> > Hope this helps clear up some confusion,
> >
> > The Hupe Collection
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "philippe thomas" <thomasmeteorites_at_wanadoo.fr>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:46 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Main mass of Oum Dreyga (Amgala) recovered =
!
> >
> >
> > Dear List Members,
> >
> > Our team has recovered from a soldier from Western Sahara an amazing
> > oriented stone with
> > flow lines=A0 (99% crusted) weighing a little bit more of one kilo. =
This=20
> > stone
> > seems to be the
> > main mass of this fall.
> > Mich=E8le Bourot-Denise, from the MNHN of Paris) is actually =
analysing a
> > sample of this fall
> > but it appears clearly that this is an ordinary H chondrite.
> >
> > Some dealers are using as provisional name for this fall =AB Amgala =
=BB,=20
> > but the
> > strewnfield is
> > closer to Oum Dreyga. Amgala is 250km far away.
> >
> > You can see this piece of Oum Dreyga in my website =
www.meteoritica.com
> >
> > Best Wishes
> > Philippe Thomas
> >
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