[meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Aug 7 06:18:26 2004
Message-ID: <004f01c47c66$95f84240$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Hi Martin and List,

A lot of what is being passed off as Amgala does shows oxidation. This is
one of the ways you can tell them apart. A slice that has oxidation stains
around the metal is almost certainly not Amgala.

All the best,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites_at_comcast.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>;
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala


> Hi Adam and list,
>
> but Zag is sucking water like a baby milk.
> Even immediately after the fall it was nearly impossible to find
specimens,
> which were not stained. All with large brown-rusty areas. I would guess
only
> 5% of that, what came here on the market was fresh and clean. I remember
> Twelker had some good ones and one of the Sahara specialist (Franco?) and
> that was all.
> I doubt, that the specimens held for 6 years now in Morocco can rival in
> freshness the black crusted and internal clean Amgalas.
> Or vice versa - do you know, where to find nowadays clean Zags? I'm sure
> many collectors would be thankfull for a good specimen, as with it's
> multicolour brecciation Zag is in my eyes a very spectacular stone (and
> affordable).
> The best specimen I found this year was a 280gm stone from Cottingham on
> ebay. 80-90% crust, strong regmaglyptes and only minor rust on a small
area
> and this at Buy-It-Now-price of the usual weathered stuff on ebay.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin A.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> To: "Mauro Daniel" <rocksfromspace_at_hotmail.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
>
>
> > Hi Matteo and List,
> >
> > Apparently you have run into some dishonesty, I believe it is called a
> bait
> > and switch situation. You think you are buying Amgala and you get Zag
> > instead, a common occurrence these days. The Amgala fall is real, ~65%
of
> > the dealers who think they are selling the real McCoy are in error
because
> > they believe their Moroccan supplier. You can blame this on the source,
> not
> > the dealers who are marketing it.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Adam Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > Team LunarRock
> > IMCA 2185
> > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mauro Daniel" <rocksfromspace_at_hotmail.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
> >
> >
> > > Amgala from what I have see from the piece I have cut is paired 100%
to
> > Zag,
> > > same matrix, same breccia, same full metal....I hope only the Amgala
> fall
> > is
> > > not a fake fall only for sale extra pieces of Zag meteorite pass for a
> new
> > > fall.....
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
> > > >To: raremeteorites_at_comcast.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > > >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The problems with Amgala
> > > >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:57:01 +0000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>The problem is that Amgala has not been completely classified yet so
> it
> > is
> > > >>being sold as an unclassified meteorite. One of the reasons it is
> taking
> > > >>so
> > > >>long to classify is that many interesting features have been found
in
> > > >>Amgala
> > > >>and the scientists want to describe them properly, something every
> fall
> > > >>deserves.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Adam, please forgive me for being overly cynical, but what does the
> > > >classification results have to do with the signifigant dip seen in
the
> > > >price of amgala? regardless of what it classifies as, your price for
> > stones
> > > >already in your possesion arent going to change. if it gets
classified
> as
> > a
> > > >common stone the price isnt going to go up. if it gets classified as
> > > >something exotic the price would go up, but we ahve only seen a
steady
> > > >downward trend in the prices - you can find smallish well crusted
> amgalas
> > > >selling on ebay pretty regularly at 5$ a gram - not as good a deal as
i
> > > >just got for buying a large stone - but still about 50% of the price
> > being
> > > >asked when it first came out.
> > > >
> > > >this trend isnt really seen in only amgala - look at lunar material -
> > years
> > > >ago it was all priced at several thousand $ a gram - now you can get
it
> > for
> > > >a few hundred per gram. NWA 1929 was going for 50 to 100$ a gram and
> now
> > > >you can buy it for 20$ - or even as low as 5$ if you buy a big piece.
> > > >olivine diogenite was going for what, 600$ a gram now you see people
> > > >offering it in the 100$ ballpark. kickass LL3's like begga were
several
> > > >tens of $ a gram and now they can be had for 2$ a gram. look at what
> > > >happened to park forrest prices.
> > > >
> > > >when stuff first comes out - be it a rare classification - or just an
> > > >especially nice new fall it's price tends to be high - after a while
> more
> > > >and more sources of the material open up, and competition drives the
> > prices
> > > >down. it's not about dealers not having business sense - it's about
> free
> > > >market dynamics pushing the prices where they need to be based upon
the
> > > >laws of supply and demand.
> > > >
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