Fw: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall

From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Dec 4 13:45:37 2004
Message-ID: <036901c4da39$cf6f85c0$b6b22041_at_Gregor>

> Hi Martin and all,
>
> Only one thing to say here, the Moroccans do NOT consider the many
> terrestrial rocks we all purchase in search of planetary meteorites, the
> cost of flying there, the cost of commissions, bonuses, etc., etc., etc.
> we pay for these. The cost of equipment, blades. polishing pads,
> classifying, etc, etc.
>
> We take the risk, they reap the reward but will not consider our costs or
> 'risks', financial or otherwise. I believe the Moroccan market will end
> soon, why all this weird Moroccan behavior lately?? (anyone who has been
> there more than a couple times or work with them, opinions??) It makes me
> wonder if this is the last struggle to capitalize on their diminishing
> recourse. I ask this out of my own experience and am not trying to start
> something here.
>
> This is just the way the meteorite market world works in Morocco, they
> play each of us against each other and they play each other. Like Dean
> pointed out, we were told that Mike was just there buying up all of the
> "new" material at $6.00 a gram so we better hurry up and offer more... I
> just received an email today that my "buy price" is $2000.00 per kilo, or
> $2.00 per gram. In two days the price has dropped by 66%. Amazing! I am
> optimistic about this new fall, but cautionary at the same time. Is this a
> new fall? Once I see actual material in my own hand, I can not say. I hope
> so.
>
> If the Moroccans want to market their material directly to us, great, just
> do it properly without the games. If this were to ever happen, we would
> all have even less expensive NWA meteorites because those of us who deal
> there would not have to include the costs involved in acquiring these
> awesome finds.
>
> Just my two cents,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
> To: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <meteorites_at_hotmail.com>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall
>
>
>> Hiho,
>>
>> sometimes I mean to hear a certain tenor in that mails, which annotate,
>> that
>> now the Morrocans ask to high prices.
>> Why should they not ask prices, which are closer to that, what a
>> collector
>> has to pay?
>> Meteorites are meteorites, no matter where they fall. What is the
>> difference
>> between a Park Forest and this new fall? Why is it o.k. to sell Park
>> Forest
>> at 40$/g, as you may see on some webpages and this new fall should be to
>> expensive with it's 6$?
>> Why should we expect the Morrocans to continue to sell their meteorites
>> at
>> prices of a small fraction of that, what you'll find on the dealers pages
>> or
>> on ebay?
>> O.k. in general the stuff has no field data and one has to do the
>> classification and the preparation, but the prices at which they sold in
>> past the achondrites f.e. were often ridicolous compared to those, paid
>> later by the collectors (just take a look to the dealer's list).
>> They found the stones, they brought them to market and many of us made
>> some
>> good bucks in reselling them.
>> Imagine, if from the beginning on the Marrocains would have sold it
>> directly
>> on ebay to the collectors...
>> Of course 6$/g buying price is not attractive for resale, but as a
>> collector's price for a fresh new fall certainly not to high.
>> And in general, if they start to sell more expensive, the retail prices
>> will
>> raise, the profit marge may be a little bit shorter for a certain time,
>> but
>> all in all, demand&supply I learned here on the list, it stays the same
>> for
>> the resellers.
>>
>> Or shall we regard the Morrocains because the living standard in Morrocco
>> is
>> lower than in Europe and USA as impudent, because they ask now prices
>> closer
>> to that here asked?
>> The approaching meteorite does not choose where to fall, Morrocans are
>> not
>> second-class-people.
>> If one thinks, that it's to expensive - leave it and say just, bravo
>> Matteo,
>> "no thanks" without complains.
>>
>> My thoughts.
>> (If a new OC will fall in my backyard, be sure that I ask more than 6
>> bucks
>> per gram. O.k. if it's a large one, perhaps to the closest collector
>> friends
>> and to those, who donated and helped in Romania, I would make a low
>> price..)
>> Martin
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <meteorites_at_hotmail.com>
>> To: <aziz_habibi_at_hotmail.com>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall
>>
>>
>>> $6/gr.? Exaggerated....moroccan people want to much now.....and I say
>>> when
>>> the moroccans give to me in offer this material " no thanks, exaggerated
>>> price ".
>>>
>>> Matteo
>>
>>
>>
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