[meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls
From: star-bits_at_comcast.net <star-bits_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:44 2004
<The 23 kilograms was stuck in
customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple
of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This
caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer
attractive and we sent most of the material back.>
These statements have been made a couple times in the past and I have kept my mouth shut knowing Mike would respond. But as the other member of thuathe trip this time I decided to post the facts.
Mike and I paid between $0.50 and $0.90 per gram to the villagers for their thuathe. We also bought several kilograms from Tony Ambrose for $2.00 per gram. We were told on numerous occasions by many unrelated sources that Tony was paying $0.10 per gram or less. Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same prices again for those pieces.
After expenses we felt $6-$8 per gram was a fair price and we have pretty much maintained those prices since. The only way we "proceeded to destroy the market" was to quench some of the demand. If your supplier shafted you by raising his prices then I suggest it was his greed not the fact Mike and I paid $0.50 more per gram in the field. Hopefully this will be the last we have to hear about our outrageous overpayment in the field and how we destroyed the market.
-- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com > Dear Mike and List Members, > > This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by some > as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the new > fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest > posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in perpetual > arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the > past. > > First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. Check > with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been > aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for us, > not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations > that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will > show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you for > accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not too > worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that only > amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors. > > Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we are > aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show, > that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific > community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you > recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves made > it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name and > classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never > claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom to > get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this > dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is the > last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to the > plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all. > > Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less than > your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well known > collector asked for several kilograms at this price you reneged. When you > pull stunts like this it affects the market as a whole not just your > intended victim. It is no wonder collectors, dealers and one scientist are > saying you have done more damage to the market than any single source. > > Third, we produced everything we said we were going to in the past including > Thuathe. We introduced Thuathe at the Tucson show over a year ago before > you were aware it existed. We sold out within two weeks and had another 23 > kilograms on its way when you made a trip out there yourself with the > coordinates we "supposedly" gave to you. The 23 kilograms was stuck in > customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple > of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This > caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer > attractive and we sent most of the material back. > > As we said before, we will release several beautiful specimens of the Amgala > fall later this week if it has not become tainted with all this negativity. > Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some people? > Anyway this is some gorgeous looking material with a lots of stories yet to > be translated still coming in. Stay tuned. > > Wishing everybody the best, > > Adam and Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > IMCA 2185 > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listReceived on Mon 01 Mar 2004 04:43:00 PM PST