[meteorite-list] Weeping and their meteortes WAS Nice Dronino

From: Rob Wesel <nakhladog_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 26 01:37:42 2004
Message-ID: <006501c4d382$1352f6f0$46d5a943_at_robewcufk0z2s3>

Oh give me a home
Where my Dro-o-nino
Don't rust and my compos don't brake
Where an N-dubya-A
Has a dry place to stay
An' I hope to dear God it ain't fake


Rob Wesel
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971



----- Original Message -----
From: "David Freeman" <dfreeman_at_fascination.com>
To: <jonathan301_at_earthlink.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weeping and their meteortes WAS Nice Dronino


> Dear List;
> How about just collecting better meteorites? Isn't this the same story as
> the Campo, Nantan predicament? Isn't this sort of a case of buying a
> four year old car from America's rust belt and complaining about holes
> that a cat can climb through?
> Buy better meteorites? Much easier to complain about rust? Would seem
> so.
>
> ...a great project, how to stop the weeping........
> of collectors and their meteorites.
>
> DF
>
> Jonathan Gore wrote:
>
>> Or storing it in oil after the alcohol/NaOH bath?
>>
>> JKGwilliam wrote:
>>
>>> Have any of you who are fighting with rust/decay problems with Dronino
>>> tried storing with desiccant in an airtight container after treating
>>> with the alcohol/NaOH bath?
>>>
>>> I can remember Steve Shoner telling the list about using the
>>> alcohol/NaOH solution bath. As best as I can remember, he was the
>>> developer of this process and had tested it over a long period of time.
>>> Two weeks in the bath might not be enough. If the solution becomes
>>> discolored, put the specimen in a fresh batch of the solution and
>>> remember to stir it gently every day. Some stubborn meteorites might
>>> take months in the solution to produce the right effects.
>>>
>>> Maybe Steve can enlighten us one more time on this subject.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> JKG
>>>
>>> At 09:23 PM 11/25/2004, Jonathan Gore wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought it wasn't a good idea to store meteorites in plastic bags. I
>>>> would think storing it in a bell jar with the air evacuated would
>>>> stabilize it.
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought....
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> Pekka Savolainen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, as far as I know. This mirror-polished fellow was
>>>>> stored in the air-tight plastig-bag, and some 10 months it
>>>>> was a real beauty. Then it started to rust very fast, or in
>>>>> fact not only to rust, perhaps "boiling" is a good word for
>>>>> the process...;-
>>>>> The beauty today;
>>>>> http://www.dlc.fi/~nuuska/dronino.jpg
>>>>> best,
>>>>> pekka s
>>>>> Jonathan Gore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Would storing it in a vacuum work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pekka Savolainen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, have tried everything except black magic and woodoo...;-
>>>>>>> Dronino is a quite old one, accordindg Verdansky from before
>>>>>>> 12:th century. Main part of the pieces was found from the very
>>>>>>> wet area, so I suppose, the chlorides are not the only problem...,
>>>>>>> the meteorite is just too old and have spent too much time in a
>>>>>>> wet soil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.geokhi.ru/~meteorit/dronino1-e.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I told in my former e-mail, after all tricks my pieces stayed
>>>>>>> stable some 8 - 10 months, the pieces without any methods to
>>>>>>> stabilizie them couple of weeks, not much longer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If some happens to find to way to stabilizate this very interresting
>>>>>>> meteorite indeed, please, let me know...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pekka s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen McMann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Pekka and List,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has anyone ever tried some of the tried and true iron stabilization
>>>>>>>> techniques on Dronino, such as a long bath in an alcohol and NaOH
>>>>>>>> rich
>>>>>>>> solution to remove chlorides? On a related subject, I guess that I
>>>>>>>> may not
>>>>>>>> really understand the chemistry behind why some meteorites are
>>>>>>>> stable, and
>>>>>>>> some are not. Perhaps I will naively ask, "Is it all about
>>>>>>>> chlorides?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stephen McMann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Pekka Savolainen [mailto:pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi] Sent:
>>>>>>>> Thursday, November 25, 2004 5:33 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Stephen McMann
>>>>>>>> Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nice Dronino?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are not stable. The older pieces was slag in a few weeks or
>>>>>>>> months,
>>>>>>>> the new "stable" ones in 8 - 10 months. I have just one very thin
>>>>>>>> piece not
>>>>>>>> distroyed, just because it has a quite heavy lacquer. Fastest
>>>>>>>> ruster I have
>>>>>>>> ever seen ;-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pekka
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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