[meteorite-list] Weeping and their meteortes WAS Nice Dronino

From: David Freeman <dfreeman_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 26 01:56:03 2004
Message-ID: <41A6D3AE.6040501_at_fascination.com>

Very well said!
Dave F.

Rob Wesel wrote:

> Oh give me a home
> Where my Dro-o-nino
> Don't rust and my compos don't brake
> Where an N-dubya-A
> Has a dry place to stay
> An' I hope to dear God it ain't fake
>
>
> Rob Wesel
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Freeman"
> <dfreeman_at_fascination.com>
> To: <jonathan301_at_earthlink.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Weeping and their meteortes WAS Nice
> Dronino
>
>
>> Dear List;
>> How about just collecting better meteorites? Isn't this the same
>> story as the Campo, Nantan predicament? Isn't this sort of a case
>> of buying a four year old car from America's rust belt and
>> complaining about holes that a cat can climb through?
>> Buy better meteorites? Much easier to complain about rust? Would
>> seem so.
>>
>> ...a great project, how to stop the weeping........
>> of collectors and their meteorites.
>>
>> DF
>>
>> Jonathan Gore wrote:
>>
>>> Or storing it in oil after the alcohol/NaOH bath?
>>>
>>> JKGwilliam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have any of you who are fighting with rust/decay problems with
>>>> Dronino tried storing with desiccant in an airtight container after
>>>> treating with the alcohol/NaOH bath?
>>>>
>>>> I can remember Steve Shoner telling the list about using the
>>>> alcohol/NaOH solution bath. As best as I can remember, he was the
>>>> developer of this process and had tested it over a long period of
>>>> time. Two weeks in the bath might not be enough. If the solution
>>>> becomes discolored, put the specimen in a fresh batch of the
>>>> solution and remember to stir it gently every day. Some stubborn
>>>> meteorites might take months in the solution to produce the right
>>>> effects.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Steve can enlighten us one more time on this subject.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> JKG
>>>>
>>>> At 09:23 PM 11/25/2004, Jonathan Gore wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought it wasn't a good idea to store meteorites in plastic
>>>>> bags. I would think storing it in a bell jar with the air
>>>>> evacuated would stabilize it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a thought....
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> Pekka Savolainen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, as far as I know. This mirror-polished fellow was
>>>>>> stored in the air-tight plastig-bag, and some 10 months it
>>>>>> was a real beauty. Then it started to rust very fast, or in
>>>>>> fact not only to rust, perhaps "boiling" is a good word for
>>>>>> the process...;-
>>>>>> The beauty today;
>>>>>> http://www.dlc.fi/~nuuska/dronino.jpg
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> pekka s
>>>>>> Jonathan Gore wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would storing it in a vacuum work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pekka Savolainen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, have tried everything except black magic and woodoo...;-
>>>>>>>> Dronino is a quite old one, accordindg Verdansky from before
>>>>>>>> 12:th century. Main part of the pieces was found from the very
>>>>>>>> wet area, so I suppose, the chlorides are not the only problem...,
>>>>>>>> the meteorite is just too old and have spent too much time in a
>>>>>>>> wet soil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.geokhi.ru/~meteorit/dronino1-e.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I told in my former e-mail, after all tricks my pieces stayed
>>>>>>>> stable some 8 - 10 months, the pieces without any methods to
>>>>>>>> stabilizie them couple of weeks, not much longer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If some happens to find to way to stabilizate this very
>>>>>>>> interresting
>>>>>>>> meteorite indeed, please, let me know...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pekka s
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stephen McMann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Pekka and List,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone ever tried some of the tried and true iron
>>>>>>>>> stabilization
>>>>>>>>> techniques on Dronino, such as a long bath in an alcohol and
>>>>>>>>> NaOH rich
>>>>>>>>> solution to remove chlorides? On a related subject, I guess
>>>>>>>>> that I may not
>>>>>>>>> really understand the chemistry behind why some meteorites are
>>>>>>>>> stable, and
>>>>>>>>> some are not. Perhaps I will naively ask, "Is it all about
>>>>>>>>> chlorides?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stephen McMann
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Pekka Savolainen [mailto:pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi] Sent:
>>>>>>>>> Thursday, November 25, 2004 5:33 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Stephen McMann
>>>>>>>>> Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nice Dronino?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are not stable. The older pieces was slag in a few weeks
>>>>>>>>> or months,
>>>>>>>>> the new "stable" ones in 8 - 10 months. I have just one very
>>>>>>>>> thin piece not
>>>>>>>>> distroyed, just because it has a quite heavy lacquer. Fastest
>>>>>>>>> ruster I have
>>>>>>>>> ever seen ;-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pekka
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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