[meteorite-list] European lost orders

From: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon Feb 14 07:35:24 2005
Message-ID: <004101c51292$3af09e20$095f9a54_at_9y6y40j>

>This seller obviously tried to safe money on the wrong side

The seller or the buyer?
One should always clear before, who will bear the risk and the mode of
shipping.
Hardly a buyer, my experience, is willing to pay the extra fees for fully
insured shipment.
Don't we have frequently the shipping-cost-rip-off-theme playing here on the
list?
In fact, I'm paying in most cases the extra costs by my own, as german post
is the most expensive on Earth and I simply couldn't compete with US-sellers
on ebay, as especially with small specimens, the bidder would be repelles by
high ship costs,
but in general I would suggest:

Sent with out xtra options: Buyer takes the risk
Sent registered: Buyer get's back the offered refund by the
carrier
Sent with insurance: Seller takes the risk. (and buyer the risk to
pay the customs).

If I buy a valuable specimen, I'd explicitely ask the seller to sent it with
insurance,
if I don't know the seller or it's from a country, wherefrom often smth get
lost, I'd ask to sent it registered,
if it's not an expensive specimen or if I'm scrooge, I let sent it without
any extra option and if it's lost, it's bad luck and I won't complain.

D'accord?
Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "J?rn Koblitz" <koblitz_at_microfab.de>
To: "Dr. Svend Buhl" <SvendBuhl_at_web.de>;
<Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] European lost orders


Hello Svend and list,

I also faced similar problems with USPS shipments last year. 2 parcels with
valuable Weston specimens got lost in August and October last year. The
first parcel with 20g Weston was shipped unregistered(!), the second one
registered, but uninsured. At first, the US dealer who sold the pieces did
not believe me that the meteorites did not arrive. After he did a search
query with USPS, he realized that his parcels actually got lost on its way
to Germany. The pity is, that I did prepayment by Paypal and have never
received any refund from that person. Very bad!

I can advice everybody: If you do a prepayment for meteorites, take care
that the seller uses the safest way of shipping (best FedEx or UPS) with
online tracking possibility. This seller obviously tried to safe money on
the wrong side.

Cheers,
J?rn


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dr. Svend Buhl [mailto:SvendBuhl_at_web.de]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2005 16:56
> An: Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] European lost orders
>
>
> Mile, Pierre and others,
>
> I have lost 2 shipments destined to the US in early and mid
> december. The other way round two sendings from the US failed
> to reach me in Germany. Particularly lamentable, because on
> of the sendings icluded a 19.00g and a 1.50g fragment of the
> Norton County Aubrite. (Both have been replaced by the
> friendly seller in the meantime).
>
> In my case only small sized packages disappeared, all sent
> with DHL. This in mind one comes to think about the
> trustwortiness of the DHL personal, esspecially the
> additional personal hired to cover the x-mas peak.
>
> watch out for meteorite pilferers!
>
> Svend
>
> www.niger-meteorite-recon.de
>
>
>
>
> Pel? Pierre-Marie <pierremariepele_at_yahoo.fr> schrieb am
> 11.02.05 16:03:34:
>
> Well Mike and list,
>
> I've the same problem from the other side of the
> Atlantic.
>
> 2 cases from overseas orders (my NWA CDROM for
> example) :
> - some took more than a month to reach the USA...
> (sent 30 december, arrived 4 february !)
> - some were lost. (4 out of 10 sent !!!)
>
> I think there are many thieves in the Post offices so
> it's good to pay for a registered mail for high value
> parcels.
>
> Pierre-Marie Pel?
> www.meteor-center.com
>
>
>
>
>
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