[meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info

From: d freeman <dfreeman_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue May 17 15:41:31 2005
Message-ID: <428A48E2.8030202_at_fascination.com>

Great post Doug,
Geeze, learning from others....interesting concept!
Dave F.
(who is not proud tom, and is not a blogger participant ever) and would
like to see Mr. Tom get some help somewhere before he turns into a
paranoid schizophrenic!

MexicoDoug_at_aol.com wrote:

>Hola Tom,
>
>No one said you are stupid (except your own post)! You are ruffling some
>feathers because your comments seem to be too insensitive. "Scientists" -
>which can include even you and me - normally have no problem being questioned
>(well, sort of...), that is typically how progress is made. But to play that
>game on friendly terms, if you have been too "lazy" to lift a finger for you
>own education (even if it means via Google!), I would say you are waaaaay too
>arrogant to be taken seriously when you start telling these guys who are
>busting their buns to turn out papers and teach and have a family life, not to
>mention deal with the educational politics and institutional beaurocracies,
>without you having the necessary tools to really understand what they are up
>against and how science usually works in your neck of the woods. It ain't no fun
>having a jack-in-the-box in Kingman pop up saying "You're wrong, I told you
>so" - and for those more experienced, it can be downright funny or even
>pathetic to listen to that. Meteoritics, like all sciences is developing all the
>time as we learn more, sometimes what was a right answer falls from favor
>because of the benefit of hindsight which a researcher simply doesn't have!
>
>I won't comment on the Pope and Barringer provocations, you already have
>figured them out I hope. But you have a great inquiring mind which could be
>kicked into shape with you own initiative to be a good scientist.
>
>Let me suggest you enroll in Pre-Algebra at the Kingman Campus of the Mohave
>Community College. You seem to have the time...It starts June 6 and is over
>by July 11 and costs $126.
>
>Then with that course you can take the Geology classes below you like and in
>the process of lab work, get an appreciation for the scientific mentod and
>what it is like to have someone who has hindsight to be pressuring you for
>answers you are still discovering, and then having to produce written
>evaluations in the way of assignments, lab reports, not even mentioning tests.
>
>Instead of throwing stones from your house and bickering your intelligence
>away over the internet, you could even sign up for some of these courses via
>the distance education for $60 extra a piece if you are too lazy yourself to
>go to class!
>
>Below is the summer schedule for Pre-Algebra, the prerequisite for the
>Geology courses, and then I am sure you could sweet-talk the professors into any
>of the courses listed. The Geology-Rockhounding course is really cool, if you
>opted for just that. Tom, you may not fully appreciate the opportunity you
>have living where you do to get out in the field with experts, meet more like
>minded people which will add to your interest and finally be able to better
>position and found your questions for more satisfying responses. XXX said
>this so I am right! is really a hollow response. The math class this summer
>would have you set to go forward and classes are only $42 a credit there
>special for you in Kingman. Who knows, being lazy might help you be a better
>scientist - as long as you aren't toooo lazy as some of your posts get close to
>being! Anyway brought to you by your friendly e-neighborhood college
>counselor (sp?). Man, how luck you are to have the time and location for this!!!
>Don't let it be taken from you...Maybe you can intern at Killgore's:)
>Saludos, Doug
>_www.mohave.edu_ (http://www.mohave.edu)
>$42/credit
>Pre-Algebra
>211 602 06/06/2005 07/11/2005 - MTWTh HEIDRICH SHERRI L 5:30 PM - 8:20 PM
>KINGMAN
>
>GLG 060 ROCK-HOUND GEOLOGY: Covers a study of basic mineralogy, including
>rocks, minerals, fossils, and features of the land surface, and techniques of
>prospecting for minerals and metals. Special emphasis is placed on local
>geology and topics of interest to individual class members. Designed for the
>amateur rock hound as well as jewelry makers. Includes field trips.
>Credit Hours: 3 (Three lecture; two lab)
>Prerequisites: none
>
>GLG 101 PHYSICAL GEOLOGY: An introduction to geologic processes on and
>within the Earth. Topics covered include concepts in mineral and rocks,
>tectonic processes, weathering and erosion, sedimentation, structural deformation,
>landscape development and ground water. Laboratory work and additional
>field trips are included to provide observational examples of the above topics
>and to learn geologic field techniques of data gathering.
>Credit Hours: 4 (Three lecture; three lab)
>Prerequisites: ENG 085, 089 and MAT 021 or appropriate score on Assessment
>Test
>Lab fee=$20
>
>GLG 102 HISTORICAL GEOLOGY: An introduction to the evolutionary history of
>the earth and life on the planet. Topics covered include concepts in
>stratigraphy, rock dating, tectonic events, global climate, ecologic changes and
>the study of faunal and floral succession over geologic periods of time.
>Laboratory work and additional field trips are included to provide observational
>examples of the above topics and to learn geologic field techniques of data
>gathering.
>Credit Hours: 4 (Three lecture; three lab)
>Lab fee=$20
>Prerequisites: GLG 101
>
>GLG 280 GEOLOGY OF ARIZONA: An examination of the geologic regions and
>tectonic history of Arizona including the study of rocks and minerals, fossils,
>stratigraphic relationships, desert landscape evolution, and emplacement of
>ore bodies.
>Credit Hours: 3 (Three lecture)
>Prerequisites: GLG 101 and 102 or permission from instructor.
>
>GLG 285 FIELD GEOLOGY: Develop skills in the field identification of rocks
>and minerals, the interpretation and mapping of rock units, and the
>integration of stratigraphic and structural relationships through practice and
>applying geologic field techniques and reporting.
>Credit Hours: 1 (Three lab)
>Prerequisites: GLG 101 and 102 or permission from instructor.
>
>
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>En un mensaje con fecha 05/17/2005 1:51:48 PM Mexico Daylight Time,
>peregrineflier_at_npgcable.com escribe:
>Dave
>"Maybe Tom could use the tip of reading more books and papers and asking
>a few less questions that are not really up to speed with the issues."
>
>Not up to speed with the issues, Robert Woolard just posted yesterday (may
>17th) new info about PV and a possible new classification! How is it my
>talking about the classification of PV is not up to speed? "Read more books
>and papers", can you direct me to one published book that talks about
>Portales Valley's possible new classification, H7, metallic-melt breccia
>(primitive achondrite)",? I don't even know if the new paper has been
>published yet, if not, how am I, or anyone supposed to read it?
>Thanks, Tom
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Received on Tue 17 May 2005 03:41:22 PM PDT