[meteorite-list] Theories, facts, and personal attacks

From: Mark <mafer_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:41:24 -0500
Message-ID: <044d01c84829$97382fc0$02fea8c0_at_maf>

Kewl, talk about biblical proportions!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Theories, facts, and personal attacks

> Take this off list or I will talk about GLOBAL WARMING
> And everyone will be tearing their hair out, dogs will lie down
> With cats and we will be plagued with catastrophes of biblical
> proportions!
> Michael
> on 12/26/07 3:59 PM, E.P. Grondine at epgrondine at yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hi Bob -
>>> E.P. and List,
>>> I see no reason to lower the bar on this discussion
>> by >resorting to personal attacks against Jason. You
>>> evidently have never met this young man, or you might
>>> be embarrassed by your treatment of him here.
>> All I know of Jason is his behaviour in his recent
>> posts, and his failure to learn anything despite
>> Sterling's repeated attempts to point him in the right
>> directions.
>> What I personally find irritating is his repeated
>> attributions to me of mentions of "airbursts", and his
>> repeated confusions of the 10,900 BCE events and the
>> 31,000 impact event.
>>> I've known Jason for many years, and have found him
>> to >be among the more articulate, educated, and
>>> scientifically-minded of individuals --
>>> not just among his age-group, but even when compared
>>> to people many years his senior.
>> He is among the best of our young people? Great Spirit
>> help us!
>>> Are you really so sure that his understanding of
>>> impact dynamics is any worse than your own?
>> Yes.
>>> (Yes, E.P., you have latched on to some very curious
>>> notions about what is and is not possible during a
>> NEO >impact.)
>> Do share your wisdom, then, Bob - I've made some real
>> blunders over the years, but thankfully I've had those
>> here who gently would try to point me in the right
>> direction.
>>> As for a comet impact in 10,900 BCE being a "fact" as
>>> opposed to a theory or a hypothesis, it has not been
>>> demonstrated (at least not to my satisfaction) that
>>> the *effects* you attribute to a comet impact are
>>> ~uniquely~ explained by such.
>> If you have any other explanation for the impactites
>> which have been found, do share it.
>>> Mega-fauna die off can be caused by many things;
>> True; but not so abruptly and widely.
>>> even if a die-off is demonstrated to temporally
>>> coincide with evidence of a large impact, coincidence
>>> is not proof of causation.
>> Argue causation with me after you don't eat for three
>> or four months.
>>> It's certainly strongly ~suggestive~, but it does not
>>> rise to the level of fact.
>>> And frankly I see no reason (other than hubris) to
>>> elevate the language from "theory" to "fact", when
>>> "theory" is a perfectly fine way of describing the
>>> level of understanding.
>> Dismissing the impactite layer as "theory" does not
>> strike me as being scientific, and it isn't really
>> "hubris" either, its simply that the mind has trouble
>> accepting that you, your loved ones, everyone you ever
>> knew and everything you ever did can be blown off the
>> face of the Earth in an instant without any warning.
>> If you have any other explanation for it, then please
>> share it.
>>> "Theory" gets such a bum rap these days, e.g. "it's
>>> only a theory." Theories are great! General
>>> relativity, evolution, the Big Bang --
>>> theories all of them.
>> Yeah. Right now one of my working theories is that
>> hyper-velocity impacts are releasing high energy
>> neutrons and protons.
>> Another working theory of mine is that earlier iron
>> impacts can be used as models to try and find more
>> data from other large iron impacts.
>> --Rob
>> E.P. Grondine
>> Man and Impact in the Americas
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