[meteorite-list] Theories, facts, and personal attacks

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:23:05 -0800
Message-ID: <C3983E79.1296F%mlblood_at_cox.net>

        Take this off list or I will talk about GLOBAL WARMING
And everyone will be tearing their hair out, dogs will lie down
With cats and we will be plagued with catastrophes of biblical

on 12/26/07 3:59 PM, E.P. Grondine at epgrondine at yahoo.com wrote:

> Hi Bob -
>> E.P. and List,
>> I see no reason to lower the bar on this discussion
> by >resorting to personal attacks against Jason. You
>> evidently have never met this young man, or you might
>> be embarrassed by your treatment of him here.
> All I know of Jason is his behaviour in his recent
> posts, and his failure to learn anything despite
> Sterling's repeated attempts to point him in the right
> directions.
> What I personally find irritating is his repeated
> attributions to me of mentions of "airbursts", and his
> repeated confusions of the 10,900 BCE events and the
> 31,000 impact event.
>> I've known Jason for many years, and have found him
> to >be among the more articulate, educated, and
>> scientifically-minded of individuals --
>> not just among his age-group, but even when compared
>> to people many years his senior.
> He is among the best of our young people? Great Spirit
> help us!
>> Are you really so sure that his understanding of
>> impact dynamics is any worse than your own?
> Yes.
>> (Yes, E.P., you have latched on to some very curious
>> notions about what is and is not possible during a
> NEO >impact.)
> Do share your wisdom, then, Bob - I've made some real
> blunders over the years, but thankfully I've had those
> here who gently would try to point me in the right
> direction.
>> As for a comet impact in 10,900 BCE being a "fact" as
>> opposed to a theory or a hypothesis, it has not been
>> demonstrated (at least not to my satisfaction) that
>> the *effects* you attribute to a comet impact are
>> ~uniquely~ explained by such.
> If you have any other explanation for the impactites
> which have been found, do share it.
>> Mega-fauna die off can be caused by many things;
> True; but not so abruptly and widely.
>> even if a die-off is demonstrated to temporally
>> coincide with evidence of a large impact, coincidence
>> is not proof of causation.
> Argue causation with me after you don't eat for three
> or four months.
>> It's certainly strongly ~suggestive~, but it does not
>> rise to the level of fact.
>> And frankly I see no reason (other than hubris) to
>> elevate the language from "theory" to "fact", when
>> "theory" is a perfectly fine way of describing the
>> level of understanding.
> Dismissing the impactite layer as "theory" does not
> strike me as being scientific, and it isn't really
> "hubris" either, its simply that the mind has trouble
> accepting that you, your loved ones, everyone you ever
> knew and everything you ever did can be blown off the
> face of the Earth in an instant without any warning.
> If you have any other explanation for it, then please
> share it.
>> "Theory" gets such a bum rap these days, e.g. "it's
>> only a theory." Theories are great! General
>> relativity, evolution, the Big Bang --
>> theories all of them.
> Yeah. Right now one of my working theories is that
> hyper-velocity impacts are releasing high energy
> neutrons and protons.
> Another working theory of mine is that earlier iron
> impacts can be used as models to try and find more
> data from other large iron impacts.
> --Rob
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
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