[meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta, not hunting allowed..."

From: R N Hartman <rhartman04_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:06:00 -0700
Message-ID: <002101c8f9b3$b4c34f20$6401a8c0_at_DBZC5NB1>

So are we saying that all the land owners have gotten together along with
county, state and federal authorities to form posse's? None of that land
has ever been public. All of it is either private, or otherwise owned in
part as BLM or other local, state or federal lands. As to hunting on
private land, meteorite hunters have always been well known to the locals,
if not by name, by activity, and have always been seen as trespassers. So
what has changed? I'm sure that most of the well known hunters on the list
are responsible people; Everyone I've ever delt with (as well as myself) in
respect to the Glorieta field, has always obtained hunting permission from
the land-owner. However, there are a lot of individuals who are not
necessarily known to the list or the IMCA, or who are just loners who sneak
around on their own and hunt quietly on their own. I suspect that those are
the ones who who tend to be the irresponsible parties. Maybe it's not such
a good idea to advertise ones' activities to the world on Utube; it
attracts flies!

Ron Hartman


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Schoner" <schoner at mybluelight.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: "Glorieta,not hunting
allowed..."


> Ruben Garcia wrote:
>
> "All hunting on private land in Glorieta is no longer permitted. Prices
> are getting high and will only go higher. If you don't have a Glorieta
> individual get one now! This is not a "scare tactic" or "hype" to sell a
> few pieces. Nice full slices can still be had at a decent price from Mike
> Miller _at_ http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta.htm
>
> However, there will be no more individuals coming out of the strewnfield,
> any hunters that try will be arrested."
>
> Gee I wonder why?
>
> "Taking the Hill" "Glorieta hunts" and all the publicity on the
> "Treasure" out there on lands that are not only private but also historic
> battlefields from two wars, the Mexican and the Civil War.
>
> Holes left uncovered, trash and bottles scattered on once pristine land.
> Off road tracks criss crossing every hill and cranny... and more
> importantly historic relics thought to be old trash were removed from
> where they were found and piled elsewhere or trashed. And what some
> thought to be trash was in fact an archeologist's treasure. Whenever I
> encountered an artifact, I put it right back into the hole, covering as it
> was. Every hole I ever dug and covered cannot be found today.
>
> No wonder that meteorite hunters will be arrested and might I add
> prosecuted.
>
> In the many years that I searched, I always got permission from land
> owners if I went onto private lands. Now most of those landowners are
> gone, having sold their lands to others. But for the most part my
> searches were pretty much restricted to public lands, and well off of the
> battlefield areas,
>
> Blab, blab, blab...
>
> Make as much publicity and stink as one can, trash the land... And the
> result is that that area and any other future meteorite fields that we
> might find gets shut down.
>
> No respect for the rights of property owners; leaving the land cratered
> like the moon, plastic bottles that will take centuries to break down
> scattered everywhere...
>
> What does Ruben and everyone expect from landowners with their high
> publicity meteorite hunts?
>
> A public, and Government welcoming committee?
>
> Steve Schoner
> IMCA 4470
>
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