[meteorite-list] Fusion Crusted "Meteoroids"

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:39:27 -0700
Message-ID: <20090325143927.ZDD3P.578158.imail_at_fed1rmwml46>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272212,00.html

Eric
 thank you. This is a point I tried to make a week or so ago. Someone commented that there is a lot of guessing??? That is the understatement of the year. Most of our scientific knowledge in this hobby is based on Guesses. We simply have no way of knowing a lot of this info with certainty.
I have yet to see a scientist voice an opinion here. They know better.
The truth is that we have no idea how much meteoritic material that ends up on Earth had fusion crust prior to entering our atmosphere. Further when you look up into space there are a gazzillion sources of crust producing bodies. Hello, Look up! And look at the age of most meteorites. It seem to me 4.56 billion years gives these space travelers plenty of time to have visited enough places to pick up fusion crusts here and there. Look at odds. "Even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while."
I earlier went on to theorize that perhaps this pre-fusion crust might actually help protect the material and up the odds of a safe landing here on earth. ( Yes it becomes a heat shield and helps protect the material at least enough to salvage some of the material.) This only makes sense because we all know that some finds and falls simple have NO crust at all.
There is not a scientist on this list that can say with certainty why that is. Yes they can guess but not all meteorites have crust and most of the ones that do not will simply never be recognized. How could they be? scientists won't look at stuff that does not have crust. They say stuff like" it looks Terrestrial" ! Duh!! A lot of rocks from space do look terrestrial. In large a stupid thing to say, I think! And If it also looks like a meteorite, it at least needs to be looked at. I will qualify that statement by saying , if it were found by a real hunter who knows what he is doing and finds the thing in an out-of-place location. It deserves to be at least looked at. How else will we ever find anything unusual or from Venus or Mercury or even Earth meteorites???
Even stuff that falls through a roof like in NJ recently they never bothered to publish what the actual material was. They just called it space junk. What is that? Isn't our time worth figuring out where the space junk came from. USA, Russia, Timbuktu? We should know. This is important info with regard to all of the space junk floating around up there. Worth a study to find out why a solid chunk of metal would hit a roof. What made it so solid. Did it start out as sheet metal or was it a part from an engine? This NJ junk should be studied and the results published. This might help us figure out the mechanics of junk in space or whatever!. Science just blew it off. Great move science.
Carl Esparza
IMCA 5829
Meteoritemax


---- Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
> Anyone remember this one? ;)
>
> THE GREAT DAYLIGHT FIREBALL OF 1972
>
> This grazing of our atmosphere would cause fusion crust. This means that
> the Great Fireball is a meteoroid with fusion crust.
>
> Over Jackson Wyoming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It5EztnIdHc
> Over Canada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaxagBP0IoY
> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap090302.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Daylight_1972_Fireball
> Earth Grazing Asteroids (PDF):
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc1994/pdf/1142.pdf
>
> Fusion Crusted Meteoroids.
>
> The video shows a great example of it and science knows that this
> happens. How often it happens and how many are there is the question? If
> this happens once every 10,000 years (hypothetical) then that would mean
> there may be hundreds of thousands if not millions of them out there.
>
> ---------------------------
> 1 Every 10,000 years
> 100 Every 1 Million years
> 1000 Every 10 Million Years
> 10,000 Every 1 Hundred Million Years
> 100,000 Every 1 Billion Years
> ---------------------------
>
> That's if you count just Earth. There are 7 other planets out there not
> counting Pluto. Keeping in mind the likelyhood of a meteoroid crossing
> the orbit of a planet at a shallow enough angle, are Neptune's, Uranus'
> and Saturn's, Jupiter's, Mars', Venus', and Mercury's atomospheres thick
> enough to bounce a meteoroid off of and create fusion crust? And if so
> could we safely say that there's hundreds of thousands if not millions
> of fusion crusted meteoroids and asteroids out there floating around? I
> would venture to "guess" that it might happen a bit more than once every
> 10,000 years. The odds are good that it happens far more often. Think
> about it for a second. What's the likelyhood that it would be caught on
> tape if it happened only once every ten thousand years? We see daylight
> fireballs many times per year, how many of those are Earth-Grazing
> meteoroids or asteroids and never burn up completely?
>
> Can we agree that 70% of the meteorites that actually strike Earth land
> in the oceans since water covers 70% of the planet. Furthermore, since
> we only occupy a small percentage of available land mass then that
> leaves a HUGE amount of land that is either uninhabited or inhabited by
> native peoples that have no contact with the outside world. Meaning that
> any meteor fireball that passes over or impacts in these areas are NOT
> ever reported. I know we can make educated guesses about how many times
> this might happen based on observations from many points on our planet
> that we actually occupy.
>
> Isn't there hard data out there on these types of actual Earth-Grazing
> meteoroids and asteroids? The ones that actually enter our atmosphere
> and then leave to go flying back out into our solar system. Based on
> that data couldn't you make "an educated guess"? Can't we take data from
> these events and figure the time between them and estimate a number,
> then divide that number into say 4.5 billion years? (If you figure the
> Earth and solar system is that old, which by the way is a guess too,
> albeit an educated one) I'm sure there will be people to argue this
> point to the end of time.
>
> Still think there aren't many fusion crusted meteoroids out there?
>
>
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