[meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:57:13 +0200
Message-ID: <003101cadb5c$a8dd9ad0$07b22959_at_name86d88d87e2>

Hi Carl,

If Australia has signed the Moon treaty and the Space treaty, then not.
I rather think the asteroid belt belongs to China, the Moon to Slovakia and
Mars to Algeria. And the rest of the universe to the Philippines.
Don't believe in the lunar land sellers, the Moon was once given by
Frederick II. of Prussia to Mr. Aul Juergens.
So I declare all lunar meteorites and Apollo rocks to be cultural and
natural heritage of Germany - as long as no valid export papers are
delivered, that they once were legally removes and exported from Moon and
imported to Planet Earth.

Let's be rather productive and design a meteorite law for Monaco, Andorra
and Djibouti. The danger is not negligible that once a meteorite will be
found there, and let it be after 2000 years.
Slovakia and Denmark sharply recognized that danger and called together the
most brilliant minds of their nation, to create a law to handle that danger
and these most urgent and important problems of their times.

...sorry I can't help with that task,
I have to generate tax money in selling meteorites for paying the fireball
camera network, the Aussies got as a gift from the European Union to play
with...
And it wasn't directly cheap :-)

Btw. lunars WA can have. They only have to hire a contract finder.

No, we make jokes, but to see the meteoritic decline of Australia
is painful for such collectors like me, who started in the beginning of the
1980ies; dear grandchildren, believe it or not, once upon the time,
Australia was together with the USA the most important meteorite country of
the whole wide world.
But then SOMETHING horrible happened!
All know about, but they are bound by a curse!
The first man or woman in that land, who will name that SOMETHING, will find
a Martian meteorite! So we never will get to know, what that SOMETHING was!

Also some Australian scientists seem to suffer, I don't have it at hand, but
one of them made a proposal for some new meteorite laws in Australia, it's
somewhere on internet. So there are still some people of good reason to be
found there and maybe not all is lost. Hope dies last.

A small step for B. - a giant leap for Australia!
And it doesn't cost a thing.
(On contrary).

Go West, meanwhile!
Martin






-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
cdtucson at cox.net
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. April 2010 00:09
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; Yinan Wang
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not
meteorite'

After a quick Google and Looking at all of the definitions of what a
meteorite is. None of them say "when". I think it's safe to say that the WA
government has it planned this way and will eventually claim all Lunars as
WA property.. As they will argue that the Moon was formed by a collision
with Earth's WA region and bounced off. So, by WA law the moon is a
meteorite and belongs to them. They will further argue that Earth itself was
formed by meteorite collisions 4.6 billion years ago so WA also owns all of
the Earth as well as it is just an older meteorite. Thank GOD for lawyers.
WA was afraid they were going to miss out on something. sorry but this also
makes the Moon a terran (Earth) meteorite doesn't it?

--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- Yinan Wang <veomega at gmail.com> wrote: 
> "Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of
> The State."
> 
> So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before
> it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a
> cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not
> become a meteorite?
> 
> - YvW
> 
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb
> <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Any lawyer could argue his way out of this
> > dilema with one simple slip. The "meteorite,"
> > while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite,
> > hence it is under God's jurisdiction.
> >
> > You, your car, your house, your dead dog
> > (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only
> > becomes a meteorite when it touches the
> > Earth, after killing you, perforating your
> > car, smashing your house, or killing your
> > dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the
> > Earth and becomes the Property of The State.
> >
> > No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please.
> >
> >
> > Sterling K. Webb
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Martin Altmann"
> > <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,
not
> > meteorite'
> >
> >
> >> Interesting thought Martin...
> >>
> >> I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that
belonged
> >> to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody?
> >>
> >> Graham, UK
> >>
> >> ---- Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are
> >>> meteorites as well, they kind of look the same."
> >>>
> >>> Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians
aren't
> >>> coming to Australia. ?:-(
> >>>
> >>> Why?
> >>>
> >>> Because: "if it was
> >>> a meteor it belongs to the WA Government".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the roof,
if
> >>> it
> >>> would have been a meteorite?
> >>> I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the state,
> >>> wouldn't it?
> >>>
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> >>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
Jeff
> >>> Kuyken
> >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35
> >>> An: meteorite list
> >>> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not
> >>> meteorite'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori
> >>> te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139
> >>>
> >>> Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a
cricket
> >>> ball
> >>>
> >>> collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a
rock.
> >>> The
> >>> object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the
> >>> north-eastern
> >>> Perth suburb of Beechboro.
> >>>
> >>> A female occupant thought it was a meteor.
> >>>
> >>> The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane
lowering
> >>> its landing gear.
> >>>
> >>> The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan,
> >>> yesterday
> >>> inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space.
> >>>
> >>> "Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did
look
> >>> at
> >>> it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite," a museum
> >>> spokesperson said.
> >>>
> >>> "Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are
> >>> lowering
> >>>
> >>> their gear they may fall, we just don't know."
> >>>
> >>> Perth Observatory said it had received a "couple of reports" on
Thursday
> >>> night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky.
> >>>
> >>> "At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but if
it
> >>> was
> >>>
> >>> a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer Ralph
> >>> Martyn said.
> >>>
> >>> "The reports at this stage are very sketchy."
> >>>
> >>> He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the
> >>> object.
> >>>
> >>> "A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are
> >>> meteorites as well, they kind of look the same."
> >>>
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