[meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality

From: dorifry <dorifry_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:55:20 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
To: "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality


> Dave,
>
> Yes, they measure changes in bodily functions, nobody disputes that. But
> what do these changes mean? Is there a scientifically proven
> correspondence between the physiological changes and lying or truth
> telling? No there isn't. The changes could indicate simple nervousness
> about being accused of a crime. They could indicate an upset stomach or a
> migraine headache. They could indicate you're a Yogi master who can
> control his bodily responses. There's way too much room for interpretation
> when you try to determine a specific state of mind by measuring
> physiological responses.
>
> Phil Whitmer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com>
> To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Matson, Robert D."
> <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>
>
>> Polygraph instruments are not meant to "read your mind". They only
>> measure changes to the autonomic nervous system (BP, galvinic skin
>> response, heart rate, etc.). When properly calibrated, the instrument
>> does exactly that. You can't beat a peoperly calibrated polygraph
>> instrument.
>>
>> You can, however, beat/fool the examiner and as Rob already stated, there
>> are instances of pathological liars defeating the exam. Their autonomic
>> nervous system doesn't respond like the norm and therefore deception is
>> not indicated during the exam questioning.
>>
>> Merry Christmas everyone!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>> To: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>>
>>
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.
>>>
>>> The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable,
>>> unscientific and biased."
>>>
>>> I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood
>>> pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many
>>> scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind,
>>> then why bother with a trial?
>>>
>>> Phil Whitmer
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
>>> To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks"
>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "Benjamin P. Sun" <bpsun2009 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
>>> Subject: Polygraph testing legality
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the
>>>> Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).
>>>
>>> Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
>>> contractor on a special-access-required program. ;-)
>>>
>>>> Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
>>>> psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.
>>>
>>> Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
>>> But they can be defeated by pathological liars. --Rob
>>>
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