[meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components

From: Dick Lipke <RICHARDLIPKE_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:15:06 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <253186584.142681.1331590506574.JavaMail.root_at_sz0142a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I promise this is the last on this issue. I always believed religions
were created after the first humans began to become aware what the
meaning of death really meant. Maybe that's when emotions took a giant
leap and evolved into affection and love.The creation of religion eased their
 grief by believing in a after life for the loss of a loved one or friend.


    

Richard Lipke
----- Original Message -----
> Eric postulates...
>
> "And this might be offensive to some, and I'm
> >sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity
> >started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened
> >before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the
> >unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained
> >stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did
> >it".
>
> Eric,
>
> I think the attached article published in the national media today
> will go a long way toward answering your question. This NASA scientist
> is described by his fellow workers as an evangelical Christian that
> insisted on proselytizing at work.
>
> http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/11/3122308/suit-nasa-specialist-axed-over.html
>
> Most persons of faith believe they have had revealed to them the
> entire creation story and aren't interested in anyone trying to change
> their beliefs. They know, and I believe fear, that to accept any of
> the science would mean having to strip whole pages out of what they
> are taught is divine revelation.
>
> Respectfully, I suggest you give it up, or take it somewhere else.
>
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
> >Sent: Mar 11, 2012 9:08 PM
> >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make
> >Life's Components
> >
> >Good points Richard, Michael, (I will apologize in advance for the
> >length of this post; I started writing a couldn't stop)
> >
> >Divine Creation vs Natural Formation. That is the question. That is a
> >VERY large part of why I love meteorites so much. Meteorites have
> >allowed me a look into the universe and answer some very important
> >personal, spiritual, and scientific questions as to the origins of
> >Earth, the planets, and ourselves. Meteorites are keys to unlocking
> >our past, the formation of Earth, the solar system, stars, galaxies,
> >and ultimately the universe itself.
> >
> >The problem with the divine creation (anthropomorphic creator)
> >hypothesis is that it's an assumption of observance. In other words
> >the watchmaker paradox. The universe exists, how did it come to be?
> >Something must have "created" it. Right? Not necessarily. That my
> >friends is an absolute assumption.
> >
> >And the argument should stop right there, but it doesn't. Believers
> >will argue that something can't come from nothing and non-believers
> >will argue that everything came from what we perceive as nothing.
> >(The
> >Big Bang) Science and non-believers go one step further and say "We
> >don't know what happened before the Big Bang." That is intellectual
> >honesty and good science. And this might be offensive to some, and
> >I'm
> >sorry if offends, but speculating that an anthropomorphic deity
> >started it, is pure speculation, because no one knows what happened
> >before, in the beginning, and it creates the creator to explain the
> >unexplained formation of the observable. Why can't the unexplained
> >stop and start at "I don't know, lets find out." instead of "god did
> >it."?
> >
> >Evolution, Panspermia, Transpermia, Abiogenesis, Planetary Science,
> >Astrobiology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, they all help
> >explain the universe and world around us.
> >
> >Meteorites specifically are absolutely a vital clue to unlocking the
> >secrets of the universe because they (the asteroids and comets that
> >make them) not only are they the very material that formed our
> >planet,
> >every single planet, planetesimal, asteroid, comet, meteoroid, and
> >spec of dust floating around our star was once part of another star
> >before, as are we. It's a cycle, a system, a circular system of
> >formation and destruction, somewhere in between life formed.
> >
> >Why create a creator to explain the unexplainable? Why not instead
> >use
> >science to determine origins rather than speculate on a divine
> >supernatural beginning. Empirical evidenced fact outweighs
> >speculative
> >assumption every time. We are in fact part of nature, not separate
> >from it. We need not transpose an anthropomorphic creatot to explain
> >something we don't yet know.
> >
> >Regardless of whether there is a divine creator, or not, no one can
> >prove it empirically either way. (yet) That's what science is for. If
> >there is, science will find out, if there is not, science will find
> >out. Either way, the truth will only be the truth when we prove it
> >with evidence, not speculative assumption of the observable.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting Richard Montgomery <rickmont at earthlink.net>:
> >
> >> Hi Michael and List (a different Richard here!)
> >>
> >> Contrary to the often mis-conception that 'religion' and 'God' are
> >> interchangeable...and considering the 'dangerous' ground upon which
> >> a
> >> discussion of this sort may be inappropriate for the meteoritical
> >> discussion here....allow me this thought:
> >>
> >> A person of 'faith' may not rule out transpernmia in theory; it
> >> simply
> >> expands the pie. A 'religious' person tied tether-bound to a strick
> >> doctrine may reject such an 'outlandish' notion out-of-hand, as it
> >> disrupts the entire reality from which their foundation is built.
> >>
> >> In short, (in my small and insignificant yet human perspective), it
> >> should be rational to allow both transpermia and a perspective of
> >> God
> >> that trancends all current 'views' of even Christianity, allowing
> >> for
> >> all three to co-exist....just a thought....
> >>
> >> Richard Montgomery
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Blood"
> >> <mlblood at cox.net>
> >> To: "Dick Lipke" <RICHARDLIPKE at comcast.net>; "Meteorite List"
> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:02 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make
> >> Life's Components
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Richard,
> >>>
> >>> As an Anthropologist I can assure you all religions have NOT
> >>> Viewed God as male - some were female and some were non-gender
> >>> Specific "spirit."
> >>>
> >>> Garry, I agree with you - interesting topic, but I fear a
> >>> good many
> >>> On the list would see it as non-meteorite related in spite of the
> >>> fact
> >>> That transpermia (via meteorites) compels such a discussion about
> >>> why
> >>> People "of faith" would reject transpermia out of hand. They
> >>> damned
> >>> Near tortured Galileo to death for saying the world was not the
> >>> center
> >>> Of the universe (and he lived the remainder of his life under
> >>> house arrest).
> >>>
> >>> Religious persecution of scientific recognition of
> >>> inconvenient
> >>> facts has always been part of history and continues to this day -
> >>> most
> >>> religions holding the view, "the way we see things IS the way
> >>> things are"
> >>> while others overtly state that view AND feel the DUTY to kill
> >>> anyone
> >>> when sees things differently - hence 9/11.
> >>>
> >>> Weird, weird, weird & weirder.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/11/12 2:23 PM, "Dick Lipke" <RICHARDLIPKE at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Micheal,
> >>>> That is an excellent point that has always baffled me and I could
> >>>> never
> >>>> understand the thinking
> >>>> of any religion in this world. All the different Gods worshiped
> >>>> world wide
> >>>> have always been considered a male.
> >>>> Which brings up the problem, "Which came first, the chicken or
> >>>> the egg."
> >>>> I think all these religions could be easier to swallow if their
> >>>> God was a
> >>>> female.
> >>>> That would answer the question, she "God" was a female carrying
> >>>> the first egg
> >>>> that resulted
> >>>> in the birth of the universe.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard Lipke
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> A major element in the problem with most of those calling
> >>>>> Themselves Christians these days is that they
> >>>>> See God as an anthropomorphic individual. This makes it
> >>>>> Difficult to see the "glory" or creation in anything other
> >>>>> Than comic book images.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They actually envision God as a big (male) human who
> >>>>> Literally, with His hands, shaped Adam out of mud.....
> >>>>> They cannot even see what a nearly perfect allegory that is
> >>>>> For evolution arising from a primeval "soup."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Evidence of transpermia is growing - but don't confuse
> >>>>> Them with facts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Odd
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/10/12 5:58 AM, "Dick Lipke" <RICHARDLIPKE at comcast.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Years ago I got a lot of questionable looks concerning my
> >>>>>> sanity
> >>>>>> when I
> >>>>>> brought up
> >>>>>> the idea of meteorites being "the Johny Appleseed of of life on
> >>>>>> Earth" to
> >>>>>> members of my astronomy club.
> >>>>>> Needless to say it resulted in many,many comments of out rage.
> >>>>>> They reminded me of how it must have felt to be among the first
> >>>>>> to refute the idea that Earth was the center of the Universe.
> >>>>>> Lucky for me my kind of thinking came in 20th century, back
> >>>>>> then
> >>>>>> they still
> >>>>>> burnt
> >>>>>> people at the stake for being possessed by satin.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Richard Lipke
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
> >>>>>>> ScienceDaily, March 9, 2012,
> >>>>>>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120309104845.htm
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Meteorites Reveal Another Way to Make Life's Components
> >>>>>>> Klaus Schmidt, March 10, 2012
> >>>>>>> http://spacefellowship.com/news/art27926/meteorites-reveal-another-way-to-m
> >>>>>>> ak
> >>>>>>> e-life-s-components.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The paper is:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Burton, A. S., J. E. Elsila, M. P. Callahan, M. G. Martin, D.
> >>>>>>> P.
> >>>>>>> Glavin, N. M. Johnson, and J. P. Dworkin. A propensity
> >>>>>>> for n-w-amino acids in thermally altered Antarctic
> >>>>>>> meteorites. Meteoritics & Planetary Science. Article
> >>>>>>> first published online: 8 March 2012
> >>>>>>>
> >>> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1945-5100.2012.01341.x/abstrac>>>>
> >>> t
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> best wishes,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Paul H.
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