[meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

From: info at moonmarsrocks.com <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:48:04 -0700
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Hello All,

From time to time I get an ebay buyer who asks/suggests that I put a low
number on the customs value declaration. I always respond that in the
USA it is unlawful and punishable by fine or imprisonment to falsify the
customs forms, and if that is a problem they can request a cancellation
of the sale. I even had one ebay buyer, after receipt of the package,
try to give me negative feedback because the import tax was too high,
and why did I not use a low value on the customs form like "all the
other sellers". As much as I may sympathize with their angst over the
import duty, it is not going to happen. I contacted ebay and directed
them to her messages, and they promptly removed the negative feedback.
Part of the problem are the sellers who enable this behavior. Word to
the wise, it is not worth the risk...don't do it.

Best regards,

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks
info at moonmarsrocks.com

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Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 07:58:21 -0700
From: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteorites at centurylink.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
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I have had some overseas buyers ask me to lower the value on the customs

declaration form. Some even threatened not to accept the package if I
reported the correct amount. I always tell them that I pay more than my
fair share of U.S. taxes so why should I assist them on cheating on
which is against the law. Some of these overseas buyers tell me that
U.S. vendors do it all of the time for them. U.S. taxes are among the
highest in the world, especially when dealing in collectables which have
long-term capital gain advantage and are in the top tax bracket.

Now, I put this clause in my descriptions:

Import duties, taxes, and charges are not included in the item price or
shipping cost. These charges are the buyer's responsibility. Please
with your country's customs office to determine what these additional
will be prior to bidding or buying.

I hope this helps,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Blood via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
To: "MexicoDoug" <mexicodoug at aol.com>; "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy

> Hi Doug,
> Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all
> The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion
> Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were
> less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it
> were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me
> the difference.
> He stated I should not have put the "real value" on the shipment -
> AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then
> He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn't
> Pay any more for the shipping.
> Kind and gentle is always best and I tried that for several
> Posts to no avail whatever.
> No, this is a clear cut case of being ripped off. I suspect it is
> Our old "friend" as his approach is nearly identical and his English
> Is similarly distorted. But whether it is or not the results are
> identical.
> I, too, like to think people are basically honest and live up to
> Their commitments and I do deal with people that way and the vast
> Majority of people in the meteorite community are that way.
> Also, I do not believe for a second this is "typical of Italians" -
> only two - and possibly only one - have/has acted this way. Every
> Country has both the saintly and the cur.
> Good to hear from you, Doug,
> Michael
> On 7/23/16 10:32 PM, "MexicoDoug" <mexicodoug at aol.com> wrote:
>> Michael,
>> How discouraging, as if doing what you love wasn't already a labor of
>> love.
>> Your customer appears to be a dedicated collector, exhibitor, lecturer,
>> and
>> dealer (involved with meteorites and as using them as raw materials for
>> selling trinkets and watch dials, including to school children). You
>> could
>> double-check if it is not a miscommunication from your message exchange
>> defining who was supposed to pay for what. The immediate problem was not
>> Italy, as much as the expensive, secure shipping cost which you
>> understood was
>> to be paid by him as it sounds like he received the meteorite and you
>> have a
>> tracking receipt.
>> Or, next time you are in Rimini, stop by this hair salon and go collect
>> if the
>> friendly approach doesn't pan out. Maybe settle for a seafood risotto.
>> I'd
>> make an appointment first and bring a bottle of wine _at_ (+39)3485447938.
>> He
>> really doesn't seem like a scammer!
>> Kindest wishes
>> Doug
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>; Meteorite Mailing List
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2016 9:37 pm
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
>> Why do people ignore warnings? Italy is notorious for
>> scams and stolen packages.
>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> You all may recall that several years ago multiple
>>> Dealers warned against sales to Italy. It seams at
>>> Least one buyer was claiming not to have received
>>> Shipments that were verified, not to have received
>>> Money that was sent him, etc.
>>> Unfortunately, I failed to head warnings about
>>> Shipping to Italy. A different Italian contacted me (Or
>>> At least one using a different name and email) and
>>> I explained even Registered Mail seems to fail to
>>> guarantee delivery in Italy but I somehow allowed
>>> him to talk me into a Fed Ex shipment of a specimen.
>>> I agreed, providing he send $50 shipping and agree
>>> to pay any additional amount Fed Ex might charge.
>>> Perhaps it is the same fellow from several years ago
>>> Using a different name (he was so good at that Art could
>>> Not keep him off the list because he would just join again
>>> Using a different name and email). So, beware of:
>>> "Davide Urbinati" <urbinati.davide at gmail.com>
>>> Even though I scanned the receipt and sent it to him
>>> He refused to pay the $59.79 Fed Ex charged me. So, I am
>>> Out that $.
>>> Believe me, I will never ship to Italy again.
>>> Better luck to all of you,
>>> Michael Blood
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