[meteorite-list] Arizona Meteor Crator
From: Steven Schoner <american_meteorite_survey_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:07:01 2004 Message-ID: <20021015193549.9115.qmail_at_web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Michael and all, The Baringers were not the problem, and they were graceous enough to at least consider my searching around the crater itself.. but only on the two square miles that they control.. and that was not within the scope of my project objective which was to collect and document with exact location data specimens at a distance no closer than 3.5 miles. Heat altered irons was not the objective, instead my project objective was to gather unaltered irons in order to resolve several questions. 1) the relationship between Nininger's Type I, II, and II Canyond Diablo irons. 2) the distribution and nature of silcate and graphite nodules often found in the outlying areas at distances greater than 3.5 miles from the crater rim. 3) the possibility of finding silicates that are related to the Winona meteorite. Wasson and others think as do I that Winona is related to the impactor that created "Meteor Crater." These objectives were to be met by collecting specimens of known location, leaving nothing including oxides out, at a distance no closer than 3.5 miles from the crater rim and involving 20 sections of land situated 360 deg around the crater proper. About 20 samples with target weights of .5 kg and above were to be collected from each section. Such a collection would involve many hundreds, if not thousands of miles of walking over a period of 7 to 10 years. Briefly that was the overall scope of the project. >From what I understand the Barringers had no problem with it... but from what I also understand they have no control over Bar-T-Bar lands, upon which the objectives of my project would have to be met. There is some kind of relationship between Bar-T-Bar and Meteor Crater Enterproses... But for the likes of me, and I have been looking at it and dealing with it.. I still have no idea what it is. I have been told that they are separate, but they don't seem to work that way. Steve Schoner --- Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net> wrote: > Hi Steve, > From the tone of your post, I take it your > previous arrangement with > the Barengers (to allow you to hunt CDs on the > property, provided they > all go to an institution - was it UCLA? - and be > scientifically recorded and > studied, and that you could not deal in CDs from ANY > source for a 5 year > period....or SOMETHING like that) is no longer in > effect? Did they pull some > shenanigans on you? It seamed you donated a LOT of > time and effort > there..... > Your opinion is it should be a national > park.... sounds ok to me - I > am still ticked that they are allowed to CONTINUE to > hold possession > even though grampa got the damned place under false > pretenses by > misapplication of the mining laws. (many of the > mining laws, even > today, suck mightily). So, a national part sounds > FAR more appropriate > today. They smelted down countless TONS of CD and > now act like > meteorite collectors, who actually act as preservers > of this material, > are the bad guys.....I have no fond feelings for > these people at all > (could you tell?) either. > Anyway, tell us the outcome of your previous > arrangement with them > that involved so much of your donated time and > energy. Sounds like they > did it to you.... > Best wishes, Michael > > > > on 10/15/02 8:14 AM, Steven Schoner at > american_meteorite_survey_at_yahoo.com > wrote: > > > --- Tom / james Knudson > <peregrineflier_at_hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > <HR> > > <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> > > <DIV> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV></DIV>I was just thinking, it would be fun, > if > > its not already a "thing" to have a show or a get > > together once a year at Meteor Crater. A list > > meteorite meet. Or our own show. A > chance > > for every one to meet and spend some time talking > > meteorites. Has this been done?<BR><BR><BR> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV>Thanks, Tom</DIV> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV>The proudest member of the I.M.C.A. > #6168</DIV> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></div><br > clear=all><hr>Join > > the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > > <a > > > href='http://g.msn.com/1HM1ENUS/c157??PI=44364'>Click > > Here</a><br></html> > > > > > > "Meteor Crater" ? > > > > Why the managers there would consider us a band of > > thieves. They do everything as it is to stymie > legit > > scientific collections regulated by scientific > > institutions, (I have a long story to tell in this > > regard) so you think that they would allow us > private > > meteorite collectors to have a "meeting" there? > > > > Just the mere mention of "Nininger" brings a scowl > > from the managers-- they consider him a thief, and > I > > even heard as much said in one tour given by one > of > > their tour guides-- yet Harvey Nininger did more > to > > reveal the true nature of the impact than anyone > in > > his day... after all, his research revealed the > > presence of metallic spheroids, the product of the > > impactors's vaporization as predicted by Dr. > Moulton. > > > > And this was opposed by Barringer for the reason > that > > he believed that the impactor was still a mining > > resource to be had beneath the south rim of the > > crater. > > > > There is no meteorite there, and the only "mining" > > that occurs is at the visitor center.... the > entrance > > fees are quite high, you know. > > > > My honest opinion... the crater should have been > > declared a National Monument and made part of the > Park > > Service... > > > > That is my opinion. > > > > (And I am sure that if Nininger were here today, > he > > would agree). > > > > But as for meeting there, I think the closest they > > would allow is at the I-40 offramp on State > highway > > propterty, but not State land controlled by > Bar-T-Bar, > > aka Meteor Crater Enterprises (And that includes > the > > pitiful remains of the old Nininger Museum) > > > > > > Steve Schoner. > > http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > http://faith.yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > What can you say about a society that says that God > is dead and Elvis is > alive? > Irv Kupcinet > -- > Worth Seeing: > - Earth at night from satelite: > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg > - Earth - variety of choices: > http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html > -- > COLLEGE MONEY > CLICK HERE to search > 600,000 scholarships! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM > -- > Michael Blood Meteorites & Didgeridoos for sale at: > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ > > > > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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