[meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions

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From: Matson, Robert <ROBERT.D.MATSON_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:07:06 2004
Message-ID: <AF564D2B9D91D411B9FE00508BF1C86901B4E4A9_at_US-Torrance.mail.saic.com>

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Hi Mike,

> Robert, that is simple, since the purchase of this meteorite, we have been

> hassled in public and private by a good number of people, many on the
list,
> in the last two years! I am simply tired of this ugly rumor raising it's
head
> every few months. Mark posted questions, that have been answered so
> many times, that I am now asking him to clarify how the stone was offered

> to him?

I understand. Reading through all my filed emails on the subject of
NWA 482 over the last year and a half, I can see how frustrating
it is to have to keep answering the same dumb questions again and
again. The statement about a different, larger, mass was not one
I had seen before, though, so I thought that it would require just
a simple response. Fortunately, the meteorite had a rather distinct
shape, and there is no possible way that it could have at one time
been 25% heavier than its reported weight without it looking
like a peanut. So I think a good, if terse, response would have
been, "Anyone who says this meteorite once weighed 1278 grams
obviously never saw it while it was whole."

> As for the Met Bul. The matter is the same as when first reported. The
> meteorite was purchased by a consortium of people, the hupes had the
> largest investment so they got the main mass., just under half. so they
> wanted the Bulletin updated. I feel the new one is misleading as it says
> that the Hupes owned the stone, the fact is that they owned, HALF the
> stone, the main mass. There are 10 other owners that are not mentioned.
> Either way, that is just semantics that the Hupes wanted. They made
> the change, there is no secret or surprises there.

In light of what the Hupes report on their own website about the acquisition
of the stone, I have to agree with you that the new wording is even more
misleading than the original.

"From the day the meteorite was purchased it belonged to Adam and
Greg Hupe (Hupe)...."

This statement is patently false, and I'm surprised that the Meteoritical
Society would allow it. That's the main reason I said I was confused
by the incompatible wordings of Met. Bull. 85 and 86.

Best wishes,
Rob

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<DIV><FONT face=verdana><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>Hi
Mike,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=verdana><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana>> </FONT></SPAN>Robert, that is simple, since the purchase
of this meteorite, we have been<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> hassled in public and private by a good
number of people, many on the list,<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> in the last two years!  I am simply
tired of this ugly rumor raising it's head<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> every few months. Mark posted questions,
that have been answered so<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> many times, that I am now asking him to
clarify how the stone was offered<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> to him?<SPAN
class=934535121-31102002><FONT face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>I understand.  Reading through all my
filed emails on the subject of</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>NWA 482 over the last year and a half, I can
see how frustrating</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>it is to have to keep answering the same
dumb questions again and</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>again.  The statement about a
different, larger, mass was not one</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>I had seen before, though, so I thought that
it would require just</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>a simple </SPAN><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002>response.  Fortunately, the meteorite had a rather
distinct</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>shape, </SPAN><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002>and there is no possible way that it could have at one
time</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>been </SPAN><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002>25% heavier </SPAN><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>than
its reported weight without it looking</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>like a peanut.  So I think a good,
if terse, response would have</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>been, "Anyone </SPAN><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002>who says this meteorite once weighed 1278
grams</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>obviously never </SPAN><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002>saw it while it was whole."</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana>> </FONT></SPAN>As for the Met Bul. The matter is the same
as when first reported. The<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT></SPAN> meteorite was purchased by a consortium of
people, the hupes had the<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> largest investment so they got the main
mass., just under half. so they<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> wanted the Bulletin updated. I feel the
new one is misleading as it says<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> that the Hupes owned the stone, the fact
is that they owned, HALF the<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> stone, the main mass. There are 10 other
owners that are not mentioned.<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT face=Verdana>>
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial>Either way, that is just semantics that
the Hupes wanted. They made<SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Verdana>></FONT> </SPAN> the change, there is no secret or
surprises there.</FONT><FONT face=verdana><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=verdana><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=verdana><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT face=Arial>In light
of what the Hupes report on their own website about the
acquisition</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=verdana><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT face=Arial>of the
stone, I have to agree with you that the new wording is even
more</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=verdana><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=Arial>misleading than the original.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=verdana><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=verdana><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT face=Arial>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002><SPAN class=934535121-31102002><FONT
face=verdana>"</FONT></SPAN>From the day the meteorite was purchased it belonged
to Adam and</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002>Greg Hupe (Hupe)<FONT face=verdana><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002>...."</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002><FONT face=verdana><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>This
statement is patently false, and I'm surprised that the
Meteoritical</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>Society would
allow it.  That's the main reason I said I was confused</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>by the
incompatible wordings of Met. Bull. 85 and 86.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002><SPAN class=934535121-31102002>Best
wishes,</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=349394619-31102002><SPAN
class=934535121-31102002>Rob</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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class=934535121-31102002></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
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