[meteorite-list] fake Mars back on ebay

From: Göran Axelsson <axelsson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat May 13 20:15:21 2006
Message-ID: <44667865.5040307_at_acc.umu.se>

I'm sorry for going a bit off topic here but I couldn't keep this for my
self.

What a coincidens, last week I got a mail from S. Ray DeRusse of Boggy
Creek Collection ( although I liked your name better, Bogey Creek
lunatics, it's more descriptive).

He accuses me of "Mr. Axelsson is engaged in advancing scientific
misconduct and fraud here in the United States and on the meteorite list
group which is a campaign designed to discriminate against minorities
and others"
Then he goes on and sends that mail all around campus to 3
administrators, 19 students and the cleaning department! :-)

The funny thing is that I'm only student on the local university, I'm
working for a totally different university.... ooops, his mistake.

Soon I'm in the good company with the terrible people from "National
labs includes but is not limited to Sandia, Los Alamos, Pacific
Northwest, Oak Ridge National , Argonne National, and others." that
works against him.

What I did? I erased two links from Wikipedia meteorite pages two months
ago. After his mail I went back to search for more and found two more.
Actually one was removed by the Wiki team after my tip with the
explanation "link to non-notable junk science/conspiracy site".

Every day has it's pleasures!

:-)

/G?ran

Btw, specularite is the name of very lustruous hematite blades.

Martin Altmann wrote:
> Hehe,
>
> I'd like the idea, that it could be a specularite.
>
> Anyway, the problem with such people is, as nice they can be,
> it is impossible to convince them, that their finds aren't meteorites.
> I had several, almost tragic cases, where finders even had confirmations
> from different labs, that their stones are very terrestrial,
> in such cases they tend to flee into strange conspiracy theories.
> Similar to these, how was their name? Bogey Creek lunatics.
>
> All what one can do, to tell them the truth, if they don't believe it,
> don't waste your time (only if the finders are in severe danger, e.g. if
> they have found, like it can happen here in Europe some munitions or bombs
> from WWI+II) it's a free world, where everyone has the right to believe in
> what he wants.
>
> Buckleboo!
> Martin
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von G?ran
> Axelsson
> Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Mai 2006 23:12
> An: Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] fake Mars back on ebay
>
> I have written before about this "martian" meteorite but this is
> something I sent outside the meteorite list last summer. I've also sent
> it to the seller but I've never got any answer back.
>
> There is a similar rock only three hours drive from my home. It's
> suspended in a similar way and makes a chiming tone when struck, just
> like a church bell.
> In Sweden we call these rocks for "tonalite" because of the tones it
> gives when struck. If my memory don't fails me it was classified as a
> gabbro with a lot of olivine and pyroxene. Some magnetite were also
> present in it.
> The source of the rock isn't known, but then we have had a thick ice cap
> that transported rocks across Sweden.
>
> Here's a picture of it.
> http://www.home.neab.net/guest/Tonalit.jpg
> ... our's bigger...
>
> I would call it a miracle if he got his sold.
>
> :-)
>
> /G?ran
>
> Gary K. Foote wrote:
>
>> Hi Darren,
>>
>> He is different. I have met him and have seen this supposed meteorite up
>>
> close. I have
>
>> some crumbs and small chips but have two 6" X 1/2" slices coming to me
>>
> soon. I have also
>
>> arranged for two more slices to go to reputable geologists to find out
>>
> just what it is.
>
>> Whatever it is, it should be identified and placed in the proper museum
>>
> for showing. It
>
>> is unbelievable in person. I suspect Magnetite schist or perhaps upthrust
>>
> continental
>
>> shelf shaped by magamtic-granite and magnetite replacement, but that is
>>
> for the experts
>
>> to answer. Whatever it is it has a value inherent by its magnitude and
>>
> unusual shape.
>
>> If it can be explained and displayed to the public I hope he can make some
>>
> $$$ for his
>
>> ministry along the way. He is convinced his vision from God is the fact
>>
> of the matter,
>
>> and I have explained to him why that is nigh impossible, but he has his
>>
> convictions.
>
>> Truth be told, he didn't preach or try to convert and is eager to identify
>>
> what he has.
>
>> Still, he will, in my opinion, retain his personal beliefs about its
>>
> origin.
>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13 May 2006 at 14:18, Darren Garrison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 May 2006 12:06:19 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Easy - the man tells the truth. His verification is by personal vision
>>>>
> and he makes that
>
>>>> perfectly clear. Therefore there is no fraud.
>>>>
>>>>
Received on Sat 13 May 2006 08:23:01 PM PDT