[meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925

From: Bob Loeffler <bobl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:55:37 -0700
Message-ID: <F1668060D13D4A1D99CDF499869E4351_at_dell>

Hi Shawn,

It's a well-known fact (there have been many studies done on it) that women
usually write with a curvier (larger loop) style than men do. That is what
Mike was referring to and I completely agree with him. The signature in
your book was probably done by a woman, but yes, there is still a
*possibility* that it was written by a man.

Signing your name and writing your signature is the same thing. I'm not
sure why you think they are different. If I sign my name, that is my
signature. Maybe you are talking about when a person casually writes
his/her name on something, but most people who do that will print their name
instead of using cursive writing. And then each letter is usually written
separately instead of them flowing together. In both books, the "a" and "z"
in "Paz" flow together, so that is probably not his version of printing his
name in cursive. Women write in cursive a lot more than men do, but I don't
know what it was like for LaPaz' generation.

Or maybe you are talking about the guy's first name which is in Mike's book
but not in yours? But that doesn't matter in this case. Looking at the
last name, it's very obvious that the "L" is very different between Mike's
and your books' signatures/names, so two different people wrote those names.

You and the guy selling the book could very well be correct in saying that
this is LaPaz' signature or written name, but there is no way to know for
sure. The way people write changes over time (especially from childhood to
adulthood), but major changes (like that "L") are not usually changed during
adulthood. Mike has been dealing with historical books for a long time, so
I would trust his word on this subject more than most people's.

If that really is LaPaz' signature, then that (and the notations) would
increase the value of the book for some collectors. Other collectors, of
course, could care less.

Regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished
in 1925

Hi Mike and List
?
Clearly I find it funny that your saying your book is the real deal and the
one posted?on the link isn't from him. Now why do you think yours is the
real deal? You never explained where you got the book with his signature,
now did you. Now I find this to be funny. You state that
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"Hopefully you will agree that these were not done by the same person.
To my eye it looks like yours was done by a female as the letters have
such large loops."? you also go on to say ......
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"It in no way makes them an expert in recognizing his signature. I
really takes a side by side comparison to do this."
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O really. so?when did you become a hand writing analysis expert? You said
yourself the the image on the website I posted on the List?was done by a
female. How do you know that it was written by a female? Also you even said
yourself
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"Obviously you believe that by being related to someone you could
recognize their signature expertly. I do not agree with you. I would
have to have my a known copy of my wife's signature to compare it to
another to be certain it is hers."
?
Again Mike, here you go into saying that?you wouldn't be able to tell by
your wife's signature unless you had copies to compare?it?to. So how does it
give you a right to say that?the signing was done by a female on the link I
provided to the list???
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http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281414_E7khp
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But I think your over looking something that I have stated. I have been
communicating with the individual that posted the book and he emailed me
back and said .....
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Hi Shawn:
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???? Dr. LaPaz often wrote his name in a book as soon
as he received it.? That is his writing "LaPaz") on the inside
front?cover of Meteors.? All notations in the book (I think they
are all in red ink) are his.
?
Ok, the key words is Dr LaPaz?wrote his name in his books. Now do you get
what I said about....

"Lastly, another thing to remember, signing your name in a book and
doing a signature for some fan can hold different signatures?" and you say
....
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"Sorry don't really understand your point here so I cannot comment on it."
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So lets say I buy a book and?I sign my name in it. Now I wouldnt do a
signature in the book because signatures are hard to read, I would SIGN my
name in the book instead. Now if I was going to do?a signature on a
document, I would use my signature, or signature to sign someones book. I
think you have have done this before, signing someting with your name on it.
Now I have something for you to look at and Listers
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799 at N03/4422192244/
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Ok now what I did is?I took your signature which is the bottom and took the
signing of his name from the website and superimposed them and scaled down
the size. Now its kinda odd to me when you look at them superimposed some
simularites?show up.?The size and points were where the the letter meet
match up. Look at the?L and the P they both have a simulare shapes. But this
is?the ticker, look at the?P in the?left corner and see the little hook that
ends at the?P and now look at the hook that ends on your P what do?I see a
hook but its tighter. I would find this?very odd that a women that you
stated wrote in the book would have very simular writing patterns as Dr
LaPaz signature. What I am concluding and had concluded before I saw your
one signature is that maybe :)??another thing to remember, signing your name
in a book and doing a signature for some fan can hold different signatures?"

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Now with this said I would find this book rare in a since that he signed his
name in the book and everyone else including you have multipal signatures by
Dr LaPaz. Now what would be more unquie,?a book he personal owned and
signed, which has mathmatical notations he wrote, and where the book came
from his estate, or a book he signed with his signature for a fan?
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Thank you
Shawn Alan
Received on Wed 10 Mar 2010 08:55:37 PM PST