[meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925

From: almitt2 at localnet.com <almitt2_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:11:57 -0500
Message-ID: <20100310211157.keyq4tqqyi8o4gws_at_webmail.localnet.com>

Hi Bob,

Haven't had time to chime in on this but wanted to. I agree with your
statements. Especially in regard to Mike Jensen's knowledge on the
subject of meteorite books and signitures. He would be the first person
I would contact If I wondered about something in a meteorite book and
is a super knowledgable guy.

While he was being humble by saying he isn't an absolute expert, an
expert is someone who knows more than the typical person on a subject
and I would say that Mike is an expert as he has been dealing in books
for a long long time.

--AL Mitterling

Quoting Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com>:

> Hi Shawn,
>
> It's a well-known fact (there have been many studies done on it) that women
> usually write with a curvier (larger loop) style than men do. That is what
> Mike was referring to and I completely agree with him. The signature in
> your book was probably done by a woman, but yes, there is still a
> *possibility* that it was written by a man.
>
> Signing your name and writing your signature is the same thing. I'm not
> sure why you think they are different. If I sign my name, that is my
> signature. Maybe you are talking about when a person casually writes
> his/her name on something, but most people who do that will print their name
> instead of using cursive writing. And then each letter is usually written
> separately instead of them flowing together. In both books, the "a" and "z"
> in "Paz" flow together, so that is probably not his version of printing his
> name in cursive. Women write in cursive a lot more than men do, but I don't
> know what it was like for LaPaz' generation.
>
> Or maybe you are talking about the guy's first name which is in Mike's book
> but not in yours? But that doesn't matter in this case. Looking at the
> last name, it's very obvious that the "L" is very different between Mike's
> and your books' signatures/names, so two different people wrote those names.
>
> You and the guy selling the book could very well be correct in saying that
> this is LaPaz' signature or written name, but there is no way to know for
> sure. The way people write changes over time (especially from childhood to
> adulthood), but major changes (like that "L") are not usually changed during
> adulthood. Mike has been dealing with historical books for a long time, so
> I would trust his word on this subject more than most people's.
>
> If that really is LaPaz' signature, then that (and the notations) would
> increase the value of the book for some collectors. Other collectors, of
> course, could care less.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:05 AM
> To: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com; tricottetcoll at live.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished
> in 1925
>
> Hi Mike and List
> ?
> Clearly I find it funny that your saying your book is the real deal and the
> one posted?on the link isn't from him. Now why do you think yours is the
> real deal? You never explained where you got the book with his signature,
> now did you. Now I find this to be funny. You state that
> ?
> "Hopefully you will agree that these were not done by the same person.
> To my eye it looks like yours was done by a female as the letters have
> such large loops."? you also go on to say ......
> ?
> "It in no way makes them an expert in recognizing his signature. I
> really takes a side by side comparison to do this."
> ?
> O really. so?when did you become a hand writing analysis expert? You said
> yourself the the image on the website I posted on the List?was done by a
> female. How do you know that it was written by a female? Also you even said
> yourself
> ?
> "Obviously you believe that by being related to someone you could
> recognize their signature expertly. I do not agree with you. I would
> have to have my a known copy of my wife's signature to compare it to
> another to be certain it is hers."
> ?
> Again Mike, here you go into saying that?you wouldn't be able to tell by
> your wife's signature unless you had copies to compare?it?to. So how does it
> give you a right to say that?the signing was done by a female on the link I
> provided to the list???
> ?
> http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281414_E7khp
> ?
> But I think your over looking something that I have stated. I have been
> communicating with the individual that posted the book and he emailed me
> back and said .....
> ?
> ?
> Hi Shawn:
> ?
> ???? Dr. LaPaz often wrote his name in a book as soon
> as he received it.? That is his writing "LaPaz") on the inside
> front?cover of Meteors.? All notations in the book (I think they
> are all in red ink) are his.
> ?
> Ok, the key words is Dr LaPaz?wrote his name in his books. Now do you get
> what I said about....
>
> "Lastly, another thing to remember, signing your name in a book and
> doing a signature for some fan can hold different signatures?" and you say
> ....
> ?
> "Sorry don't really understand your point here so I cannot comment on it."
> ?
> So lets say I buy a book and?I sign my name in it. Now I wouldnt do a
> signature in the book because signatures are hard to read, I would SIGN my
> name in the book instead. Now if I was going to do?a signature on a
> document, I would use my signature, or signature to sign someones book. I
> think you have have done this before, signing someting with your name on it.
> Now I have something for you to look at and Listers
> ?
> ?
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799 at N03/4422192244/
> ?
> Ok now what I did is?I took your signature which is the bottom and took the
> signing of his name from the website and superimposed them and scaled down
> the size. Now its kinda odd to me when you look at them superimposed some
> simularites?show up.?The size and points were where the the letter meet
> match up. Look at the?L and the P they both have a simulare shapes. But this
> is?the ticker, look at the?P in the?left corner and see the little hook that
> ends at the?P and now look at the hook that ends on your P what do?I see a
> hook but its tighter. I would find this?very odd that a women that you
> stated wrote in the book would have very simular writing patterns as Dr
> LaPaz signature. What I am concluding and had concluded before I saw your
> one signature is that maybe :)??another thing to remember, signing your name
> in a book and doing a signature for some fan can hold different signatures?"
>
> ?
> Now with this said I would find this book rare in a since that he signed his
> name in the book and everyone else including you have multipal signatures by
> Dr LaPaz. Now what would be more unquie,?a book he personal owned and
> signed, which has mathmatical notations he wrote, and where the book came
> from his estate, or a book he signed with his signature for a fan?
> ?
> Thank you
> Shawn Alan
>
>
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